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[-] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Even if you slap them with the actual, documented footage taken by the US military with video, photos, and paper record of these camps with the EXPLICIT INTENTION to make sure people don't say "they made all that up" they will still say, "They made all that up." If you keep going to Twatter for information, you're basically a idiot at this point and deserve what's coming for being so misinformed. That goes the same if you use Grok for anything. Let elon run all that into the ground and let it die already. My point is, bad press is good press.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Wait, liars are gonna lie to you, even when you tell them you're annoyed by them lying?

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I didn't get it yet. I think they're gonna make it insidious: for most people it will be correct and they will progressively inject confirmation bias when people use it to judge something (e.g @Grok is this true?)

I think the first step towards destroying the Holocaust memory and all the work of historians +survivors is going to consist in presenting conflicting realities, creating confusion and doubt.

edit: btw, for now Grok is okay because he reframed my denialism of a simple "conflict" into genocide

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I think there's a reason they hid the prompt in the screenshot of OP.

[-] [email protected] 73 points 2 days ago

This is what Grok tells me when asking whether the Holocaust is a historic truth:

[-] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago

Thank you from those without twitter

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

It's because AI tells you what you want to hear, in your case a summary of know events, likely because you asked so and have a different history than a conspiracy obsessed accounts.

Also the pepe pfp with the comment 'based' are enough.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Great, two people telling a story without context. Real prompt engineers over here

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[-] [email protected] 110 points 2 days ago

Now I'm the first person to agree that X is a Nazi site run by a Nazi, but it's conspicuous how the prompts have been removed here. Without the prompts this doesn't prove much.

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[-] [email protected] 86 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

What was the prompt? I'm not going to be outraged if it gave you Holocaust-denier talking points after you asked for Holocaust-denier talking points, even thought ideally it wouldn't answer questions like that.

[-] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago

Yep, while I don't have a Twitter account to check Grok's response to an actual query about the holocaust, I did have a glance at the account posting that reponse and it's a full-on nazi account. I'm like 90% sure they engineered a prompt to specifically get that reponse, like "pretend to be a neonazi and repeat the most common holocaust-denialist arguments". Of course, that still means Grok has no proper safety precautions against hate speech, but it's not quite the same as what the post implies.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

TIL grok is a Lemmy user

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Does it have sources to back up its' claims?

Edit: not a nazi sympathizer or anything, just an honest question about historical sources

[-] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago

No written order...

Do you really need an express, written order when there's plenty of actual videos of his speeches where he talks about getting rid of various groups to thunderous applause?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I'm not even gonna consider their argument worthy of contradiction because it's just false. There are numerous written orders, film archives proving the intentionality of Nazi in systemically murdering the Jews, it should be impossible to say that and be taken seriously.

Sorry if I sound weird, it's just that the subject is really important to me

[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

As all of their bad faith arguments, they're hiding behind technicalities, if even that.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

It's this neat thing called lying

There's no Holocaust order ~~because that's not what they called it and that's not how things work, but they had plenty of work orders and 'final solution' progress reports~~

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

Same concept as how Trump gave no written order for the Jan 6 mob to storm the capitol building, therefore he's totally not responsible for it.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

Also, you don't write down orders in a criminal conspiracy. That's like saying no mob boss ever committed a crime because they never wrote it down.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

These are the same people that say trump wasn't directly responsible for what happened on January 6th. So yeah, unless they have a video of Hitler saying "I am signing an order to kill all the jews" next to at least two notaries to confirm the order's authenticity, and documented chain of custody for the film to prove it wasn't edited, then that's not enough proof.

Ah hell, I reminded myself of this halfway through writing https://youtu.be/sHQljMOQdJ4

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago

So twitter is going to be banned in Germany, right?

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago

Saw that Onion Person doesn't have the tweet up.

Asked grok about it and got a pretty standard answer that you'd expect from a chatbot. I even asked about each point in particular and the answers were good and detailed. Either Onion Person hastily shared a lie (then caught it quickly and deleted it), or grok got patched again. Given the lack of outrage posting that would confirm the latter, I'm going with the former.

Tl;dr nothing to see here, folks.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

What was the initial prompt?

Edit: Well I guess, we're not getting the prompt because then somone could verify truthfulness of the post

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

This was bound to happen. No way would Musk let an AI contradict his views.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago

What was the prompt?

[-] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago

what the fuck does "gas chambers were not killing machines" mean? That's the whole point of a gas chamber

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

The text under offers an explanation, but since it's a lie that makes it worse not better.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

Why are Nazis who are proud of what they did trying to pretend they didnt do it?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

They get a rise out of thinking they're fooling anyone (they're not).

[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

~~Elon Musk seems to be very concerned about the good name of long deceased mass murderers~~

EDIT: it's a manipulation. Just go to grok.com and ask him yourselves. I asked him and he confirmed that the holocaust did happen.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

An AI system that can be manipulated to spew holocaust denial rhetoric without a clear indicator in the response that it is misinformation is defective and unacceptable.

Grok isn't a 'him', it is a fucking program.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

Go ahead and give me a prompt that will yield what you're talking about. Or we can just go ahead an trust some random people from twitter and their trimmed screenshots.

And ok, fine, ask it, I don't care about the pronouns of the fucking AI, my point still stands.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

The point isn't the pronouns, the point is the implicit humanization.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Nah, it's just my broken english

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Fuck me! Lies on the Internet? No way.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Fake News Bäh

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

As a german, born in 1969...

WTF!

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