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[-] [email protected] 113 points 1 week ago

I find fault in the reasoning, it's probably the bussiness majors that profited the most from any band ever by pocketing half of whatever money they made.

[-] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago

They make more profit from monetizing water

[-] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The business major... reaps no reward from art and science... thus must weaken us (Art/STEM) to stay ahead

The "fault in reasoning" you describe is saying the same thing: there's no reward from art and science for business majors, so they must instead gain from (Art/STEM) by weakening them. Capitalize on profit and extract reward from (Art/STEM), because business majors themselves, can't extract reward by means of the original process

*** This is not an endorsement of my own opinion. I'm talking out my ass and have no relevant sources to back my statement, nor stake in any claim. Just typing words off the dome and trying to sound coherent for possible discussive-hypotheticals

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

So they are the root cause of all evil

[-] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago

In Canada we call it STEAM now. Because where the hell do you think design comes from?

[-] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In Europe we have GOG instead
G - science technology engineering maths
O - ond
G - gumanities

[-] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago

G - gumanities

Or as we like to call it, GNU/Gumanities.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Or, as I've taken to calling them, GNU plus Gumanities.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I do art, btw

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

GNU is not umanities.

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

My subjective interpretation of STEM is "degrees you need to know calculus for". They're all math heavy, with precise answers. While the arts are certainly important, I just don't see how they fit that motif. What is this supposed to accomplish?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I don't think I've had anything calculus related in my biology degree.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Guess biology isn't STEM then, sorry.

But in all seriousness, calculus (and by extension differential equations) is super common in bio. Reaction rates, stable population sizes, micro and macro. I'd be surprised if you never came across it.

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

You need calculus for vibe coding?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Vibe coding without any prior knowledge is just a catastrophe waiting to happen. Vibe coding with prior knowledge just makes you realize how dumb the AI is the moment you try anything else besides throwing a website together.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I agree.

The more wild version I saw of STEAM had Agriculture as the A. I also felt that was redundant since modern agriculture involves a lot of science (biology) and engineering (equipment).

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

So I’d that just all college degrees besides business?

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

GabeN I guess ?

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[-] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The melodeath metal band Insomnium didn't act in the Covid pandemy, because their guitarrist was working in the creation of vaccines.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

it's fucked up the number of amazingly talented metal musicians who have to keep down day jobs... mostly in stem.

shoutout to the tech death guys specifically, who keep being in programming.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Have to? Many metalheads are dorks and want to do these gigs.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

I fully agree. But once those who should be business majors enter a field everything about it gets worse.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

A slightly nicer way to put this is profit incentives frequently cause negative externalities.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Throw marketing and HR majors in there with business majors as the triumvirate of just literally evil and useless people, and I'm on board.

I say this as a person with an Econ degree, and another Poli Sci degree, that I got simultaneously.

Bach Sci, Bach Arts, respectively.

Not quite as 'artistic' as something like music or visual artistry of some kind, but I can say that a.BA in Poli Sci involves a lot of learning how to be the... persuasive kind of a creative writer.

So yeah, I'm kind of a hybrid multi-class build, so just like when you do that in DnD, 90% of people are somewhere between annoyed by or confused by this, all the way up to just outright hating you for 'being a try-hard' or 'having both a broad and deep skillset, and significant general understanding of relevant context in many areas'.

Ok lol, snark aside...

We Econ people are not all evil, in fact most of us fucking despise business majors, as business is what you switch your Econ major to if you're too stupid to actually understand advanced math, modelling, statistical analysis, as well as actual long term business strategy and non myopic market analysis... as well as usually at least some coding proficiency in something like R or at least Python libs geared toward data crunching.

But somehow these idiot assholes end up being our bosses and we usually end up being their subordinate data analysts of some kind, basically because they master the arcane power of corpospeak, aka, professional gaslighting.

Likewise, accountants, actuaries?

Those are actual real degrees, you have to memorize an utterly astounding amount of essentially arbitrary laws and regulations, and if you go full actuary, some of the most complex statistics on earth, in some cases literally more complex and mind bending than what many theoretical physicists have to learn.

Anyway, most data oriented nerds are at least mildly autistic and realize they are generally not so good with people skills, nor the visually artistic kind of creativity... but we are generally self-aware of this, and realize that other people with other kinds of intelligences are needed if we want our data and analysis to actually be listened to.

Finally: HR and Marketing majors are all narcissistic sociopaths who are also too stupid to complete their psychology degrees, which they really only ever pursued to become more skilled sociopaths.

... Uh there, oops, I may have just written at least part of OP's essay.

EDIT: Ok, apparently this may be worth clarifying due to the presence of some ChatGPT diarrhea in this thread, but uh, the above words were all produced spontaneously by an all natural, organic, genuine human being, in an astoundingly more energy efficient and non exploitative manner, that didn't require the violation of the privacy, consent, and also basically IP rights of every human that has ever existed.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

I've been waiting 12 years for this fuggin essay

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

There's been a push in higher education and professional markets for a STEAM education paradigm over STEM. Especially when you consider that there's a ton of crossover between tradition STEM education and arts in modern day professionals (User Experience relies on all 5 domains for delivering truly great UX for example).

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

So, how can society overcome the rift?

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Destroy business. Cast it back into the hellfires from which it came.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Damn, they got to him before he could get it out.
Curse you, lizard overlords!

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Splash in finance and you get Offspring

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

That's why we have STEAM now :)

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I went to a London university. Most the departments were essentially as diverse as the population, but business undergrads were 80% black British, and everyone knows they hate queen. Is this the conspiracy we've been warned about?

(This is very clearly a joke I hope and I have utter respect for everyone.)

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

IDK, business people tend to make a LOT of money from successful artists, so if anything, they should encourage this.

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