day for a shit wage.

Underpaying Immigrants and Outsourcing both tech and design to China has rightfully fucked us. Smarter every day tried to make an OK grill brush here, it has to be $75.

I don't like either of the answers the administration is providing to these problems (nor do I think they're legitimately trying to solve them), But we're going to dead end if we don't do something about it.

Tax the rich, pay generous wages, focus on local manufacturing, fix pricing and force market competition.

Unless the system doesn’t oversee them, because then the standards of the system don’t apply to them, and they can be exploited.

Farmers can go fuck themselves for doing modern day slavery exploitation.

Oh, your profits were based on how little you can pay your employees? HOW ABOUT YOU SUCK MY FUCKING DICK.

It's weird to think the agricultural workers, who can't vote and don't have legal status and are often living on subsistence wages, deserve to be snatched off the street and fed into a concentration camp system in order to deprive a few agricultural wholesalers of their profit margins.

I don't see that as reaping what you sow at all. Fascism does not fall heaviest on the fascists.

they claim socialism is bad

They mean compassion for the out-groups.

Yes but if the farm work doesn't get done you are looking at the next thing which will be the great American famine, which I expect somewhere this summer. If the US food production falters and importing food is made very expensive though tarriffs, Americans are not going to have enough food.

It's going to be like post revolutionary China in so many ways.

I mean, it's not so much the fear of deportation so much as the fact that lower wages go farther in Mexico. Most Mexicans who illegally immigrate do so simply because it makes economic sense. If the wages were so low that it didn't make economic sense to them, then they would simply return to Mexico voluntarily.

That is already happening at scale

That's definitely the plan, and they'll be using private, for-profit prison companies. One is a facility in Louisiana that has been closed twice due to abuse and torture of inmates, and has been reopened as an ICE facility they've been stashing the students arrested for pro-Palestinian protests there. The Columbia student who just got released was being held there.

They are also building a 30,000 bed facility at Guantanamo Bay. The $250 million dollar contract has been awarded, and it's underway. For context, the average maximum security prison hold 800-1200 people, with the largest in Angola, LA holding about 8400. So this new facility is nearly 4 times larger than the largest prison, which is already several times larger than average. Clearly, they intend to house MANY people there.

It's my belief that they will eventually take the position that if you can't stay actively employed (due to AI, robotics, automation, discrimination, etc.) and require the help of the government to survive, then they will house and feed you in exchange for renting you out as slave labor. That way, they can say they solved the homeless problems, even though all they did was turn them into slaves.

And the MAGA followers will go along with it, happy that the "parasites" are being forced to work. Besides, they've been hoping for slavery to return since 1865. The only legal slavery in America is prison labor, and like MAGA always does, they intend to exploit the shit out of that Amendment.

What a coincidence that the VP has a financial interest in independent farms going bankrupt.

get dog barking e-collars. When the kids beg for humane working conditions, they'll be shocked into getting back to fucking work.

No shit jobs only shit wages.

OK, so, I live in farm country and there's some problems with what your saying. 1. It's actually good pay. In fact some farmers have tried raising the pay to attract more workers, it rarely works. Farms are in the middle of nowhere. There's no city. MAYBE there's a post office and a store that sells exclusively Croation gass station fare. MAYBE. It's temporary work. You get a few months pay. So. Remote, physically demanding, and temporary. That's what makes it a ''no thanks'' job for every American. We live hand to mouth, we live in a stack of cards that requires constant payments. That's not a problem in Latin America for the most part, they live hand to mouth but they can save up money, they are maxed out on payments and debt, they just throw extra money in a jar and only live of what they really really need. So working a few months in the US, then Canada, then Mexico, it's OK. That's why they're called seasonal farm workers. When you close to boarders you trap them out of their job and create insane problems. I don't know why Americans can't figure out how the food gets to the Walmart, but they have been failing up grasp this for a long ass time.

It makes plenty of sense when you realize that grift and sensationalism were the goals all along

I'm pretty sure parts the US are actively using prison labor already. It varies by state, but I remember reading about one state where they were basically renting out prisoners to companies. I think they used the term "hiring", but the money the company paid didn't go to the inmate... The prison system has been one of the larger atrocities in the US for a while now.

Mexico and Canada have been investing in agricultural infrastructure for decades now. The only reason that the U.S. farmer can compete is due to shenanigans in import requirements. Imports are held to a much higher standard than domestic production. It's why the majority of foodborne outbreaks are from American production.

American farmers have been conditioned to rely on cheap labor and expensive equipment. There's been only been minor infrastructure investment since the 1970's.

Without government subsidies and cheap labor, the majority of the farmers business models in the us is not sustainable.

Mexican farm produce at American farm prices. That's how capitalism works, right?

Society needs more unions period.

False. Median farm family incomes are $97,984 in 2023 while the median family income for the country was $80k. "In 2023, the median U.S. farm household had $1,439,138 in wealth" while the median US family net wealth was $192,000. Farmers on average are far better off than the average American. Note that corporate farm incomes are NOT included in these figures.

Sources: https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-household-well-being/income-and-wealth-in-context https://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/files/scf23.pdf (page 11)