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[–] [S] 102 points 1 year ago (42 children)

Nobody is going to work for slave wages and slavery conditions. Raise wages! Improve working conditions! That's the point of the whole Trump immigration policies you dumbass!

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  • [–] 117 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    It is indeed baffling that immigrants worked all this time for slave wages under slavery conditions. USA is full of people taking advantage of others. It is not just Trump, it is the 50% of the population that is anti-social psychopathic sociopath.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    it is not anywhere near baffling. it is an example of exactly how disgusting and terrible capitalism is. these times should be moving people radically left.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    For real. In America being a psychopath is rewarded with money. And what's worse is that there is something very dark and heartless happening that seems to have a hold of not just the government but the people as well. Like it's now becoming known at least slightly, that America is not the image it branded itself as and that the people here are very much being manipulated socially and society is being orchestrated to be something that is not for humanity but instead for an ideology that feels like the essence of evil.

    We should be realizing our nation isn't for humanity. It's all strictly business, and "the game" of conquering life and existence. And anything that gets in the way is the enemy.

    As citizens here we aren't special. They can do the same things they do to other countries to us. We can become the middle east warzone. The only reason they don't do it inside the nation bluntly is because then it would show their true colors. So what they do is manipulate and divide the citizens over simple things and watch the citizens destroy themselves. The same geopolitical methods they use to overthrow countries they use here.

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  • [+] 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)
  • [+] -41 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    The fuck are you talking about? It's the Democrats saying we need a slave class, that we can't deport them, not the Republicans.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Psst: the deranged focus on deporting every single undocumented immigrant actually makes it easier for employers to exploit undocumented immigrants. You can’t threaten to deport someone for organizing labor if the government is only deporting criminals.

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  • [+] -28 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago*

    The vast majority of the immigrants being deported are being forced to leave against their will. Why do you think they should have no say in the matter? Forced deportation is violent and cruel, and results in the separation of families.

    If either party actually cared about the people, or budgets, or morality, instead of spending tens of thousands of dollars to remove each person, they would just check them in, have them sign a piece of paper, and grant them legal status.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    25 downvotes, no upvotes?

    Downvotes don't change the past and the fact that Democrats enabled slavery.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)
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    Sorry but I didn't mean it in that historic perspective and neither did OP.

    It doesn't matter what people say, it's important what happens. By keeping illegal immigrants in their exploitive conditions, and by e.g. not prosecuting those who employ illegal immigrants, the Democrats created the current situation, together with the Republicans. The Democrats are complicit.

    Nevertheless, those are interesting links.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Ah, sorry, that makes sense. If you didn't know, there's a common Republican talking point that – because the Democrats were the racist slavers in the 1800s and the Repuublicans the progressive abolitionists – the modern-day Democrats are the real racists because like, like, uh, look at what they did 160 years ago! Completely ignoring, of course, the context I linked to above.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The point is to get votes and financial support from racists and xenophobes. The policies are just tools for it.

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  • [+] 16 points 1 year ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    To be fair, in Germany a lot of food is imported from other countries that have different labor protections, so Spanish tomatoes could have different conditions. Of course Aldi and Lidl have popularized super efficient supply chains that help keeping prices low (and AFAIK they pay reasonable salaries).

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    You might want to let Trump know that these are his objectives. I don’t think he’s aware that he’s supposed to strengthen OSHA and fight for higher wages.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That would be unpleasant, yes, and would require further efforts to minimize the consequences for those with low incomes (for instance, expansion of food subsidies, which yes would require even more taxation of those with wealth), however, if food prices aren't as high as that now because of near slavery conditions, then there's probably no ethical way to avoid it.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    EXPANSION of food subsidies? They just gutted USDA programs providing food to food shelves all over the country. My local food bank recently switched to every two weeks instead of every week. It's already bad and only getting worse

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You may misunderstand, I'm not making any prediction that this administration or any like what we've had in a long time, if ever, would do such a thing. What I'm saying is that if some government was installed that actually cared, it's not an impossibly to improve agricultural labor conditions without driving the working class broke from food cost increases.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    even if they did all that, its pretty back breaking work, you will your back or joints will be destroyed in the 30s, thats why also people dont stay in the trades that long either. disc disease from wear, is pretty hard to treat.

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