I would still go to a mall if they didn't have overstock on slim fit clothing. I would also go to the theater more if they had reasonable pricing and actually showed movies I want to watch. There's nothing wrong with either of these things, it's just that capitalism has yet again, ruined them to appease the 1%.
Dropbox were really smart and went for it early, they closed offices completely and sent plenty of workers to full remote. Savong money for the company on office rent, and money and time for the workers.
they saw the profit in it. most of the other companies wernt doing it because: ceo, managment love to have power over the lowly worker, + govt tax benefits, business from commuters
I am in a situation where the return to office was a 6k decrease in wages.
Personally I wouldn't want to work in an office where (almost) everybody is remote. I believe that the best option is to do a hybrid.
Edit: I prefer working with others in person instead of doing it remotely over the phone or teams. Not sure if I am more productive at work or at home due to the distractions at home. But I am in the minority it seems, but then again my commute is about my rewind time so I am refreshed when I am at home. Traffic isn't an issue either and I can bike if I wish (and didn't sweat as much)
Not sure if I am more productive at work or at home due to the distractions at home
Everyone I know is more productive at home, office is all the time coffee breaks, deciding where to go for lunch, then going to lunch, then another coffee break, smoke break, etc
There are specific things that are more efficient in person, mostly meetings with multiple people.
It’s easier to interject and the conversation flows better in person.
With zoom and the like you get to to the “no you go ahead” loops when people talk over each other.
Everything else is just fine remote.
"Where to go for lunch, you go out lunching everyday? We just bring our own lunch.
But yes I am generally less productive at home because I am inclined to do other shit while at work and considering I have to write hours on customers I cannot get away with working 5 hours and writting 8 hours (that's also illegal, but okay)
Dropbox seems to be different than other companies. It is known to have migrated back from AWS to their own infrastructure at a time when ever other CEO was propagating to migrate into the cloud. Article is from 2019, though: https://techcrunch.com/2019/06/21/three-years-after-moving-off-aws-dropbox-infrastructure-continues-to-evolve/
Also, WFH is good for their sales. I don't understand how someone like the CEO of Zoom didn't get that simple fact.
As the election has shown us, these tech bros are not necessarily smart or thoughtful about their choices, and the real motivations tend to be related to personal financial gain. The level of push and coordination behind RTO and every company copying each other's policy probably come down from "on high", and i suspect that's investors with business real estate interests putting their thumbs on the scale to avoid a collapse in their markets
Ed Zitron of the Better Offline podcast had a piece a few weeks ago that explains so much.
Would you be surprised to learn that business is actually a network of cargo cults, where the thing they're trying to superficially mimic is other businesses that don't know why they're doing what they're doing?
I work for an online edtech company that saw massive organic growth during lockdowns, and has been chasing that dragon since lockdowns were lifted. They spent millions expanding their workforce at the time, while they severely pared down their school outreach team. They made multiple moves that only made sense if you assume lockdowns would last forever.
I raised this with management a couple of times, and their only response was "everyone else was doing it, too".
Yeah, anyone that's had a job for any significant amount of time realises that the people at the top aren't there because they're somehow smarter. Quite the contrary.
RTO is either companies looking for a way to cut jobs or a way to utilize their commercial real estate.
I also want to think it's a little bit the management/CEOs who think their employees are their friends who get lonely realizing the stripper doesn't actually love them. Meanwhile they refuse to develop a personality or real friendships.
I didn't think that managers like Michael Scott actually existed.
Lemme fix that verb:
"Dropbox ceo decries defunct despots denying workers their work from home rights"
Seriously can we stop with "slam" though
Please don't replace it with alliteration.
I love alliteration. And puns, especially the multilingual kind 👹
Commercial.
Real Estate.
I am not 100% sure of the physical footprint of office space per employee of DropBox in comparison to other highly computerized companies, but...
...in addition to the just subborn nature of a useless management class at many companies realizing they are basically useless and don't deserve to be paid a wage, because their workers can work just as well, or better, with far, far less 'oversight' from them...
Fucking real estate.
The C Suite knows that if they allow remote work to become normalized, then all their fancy office buildings are worth far less than they otherwise would be, and that then they'd go tits up, underwater, on all their various kinds of financing they've got on them.
Instead of managing a transition to a new paradigm in a sensible and controlled manner, that would allow them to gradually unwind from the RE, from the offices themselves... which could be done over time via the cost savings and increased efficiency from remote work, and laying off (restructuring, whatever) most of their managers... nope, they've almost all decided that that cannot be allowed.
It's exactly this, 1000%. I work for a small company that had a return-to-office mandate a few years ago when Covid began initially winding down as access to vaccines became widespread. I was working fully remote and had leased an apartment over an hour away from the closest branch office in an affordable part of town. We had our most profitable year ever in the nearly 50 year history of the company in 2020 when literally every employee was working remote. Morale was up, I was saving money that wasn't going to gas or car maintenance, and I was feeling positive about the future of work-life balance.
Then, one day, I get called in for performance review, and it was all smiles and sunshine and then they said "You're doing a great job Furbag, but we'd like to see you back in the office for a minimum of three days per week." That was the first and only negative comment I had ever received on a performance review since starting for the company. When I escalated the results of my performance review to management, wanting a more clear explanation for why I am being asked to commute 1+ hours in to work almost every day from the outskirts of the bay area, they told me exactly what you said "We're paying for this building, so we want people physically in the office to justify it. Also, every other industry is doing return to work mandates so this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone."
Naturally, this is still a sore spot for me. The company didn't learn it's lesson and still follows industry trends like little lemmings (and not the good kind that post here) while looking into buying up more real estate in other parts of the state to expand operations. They could be selling the building I'm working in now, and use the profits from the sale to fund everybody with equipment to work from home (desk, chair, monitors, hardware, etc) and work would continue as usual with a lot more employee satisfaction and work-life balance, but I've learned that owning real estate as a business is in itself a prestige that the C-Suite loves to show off to it's competitors. "Look at this historic building we own, isn't it grand?", "Oh, you think that's grand? We rent 12 floors of a 40 story skyscraper in San Francisco, beat that!".
Managers need the physical locations to continue to exist so that they can justify their own existence, and they've fully convinced gullible CEOs that productivity will wane if people are allowed to do work from home "unsupervised", even though there's plenty of data that suggests the opposite is true.
/endrant
they don't want to unwind from RE if they are board members on RE companies as well as the RTO-mandate company. We should never have allowed people to be board members in two busineses.
Capital beat Labour to death 40 years ago but can't get enough of the taste of victory and they keep digging up the rotten corpse of the Workers to screw it some more.
RTO is just posturing to share holders.
"Look, look, we're treating our staff badly, so you know we're a good investment!"
Hm, I don't think that's likely. I have some other tinfoil hat theories:
I would qualify your first point. Parkinson's Law tells us that we have pointless bosses in huge numbers, and they need to justify their own existence. The people who actually produce things, everyone can see if they're working or not by looking at the output. But their supervisors, and especially their supervisors' supervisors, those people are desperate to make themselves relevant, to justify their pointlessly-large salaries despite a complete lack of utility.
It's actually:
It's the 2008 housing crisis, but with corporate real estate. COVID forced work from home, which caught banks with their pants down, having no way to actually drive the demand back up for these buildings that will continually house less and less people from less and less businesses (Work from home + businesses not surviving Covid, now Tariffs.)
Our entire banking system is backed up by debt packaged with corporate real estate that's rated as AAA, but is just more toxic cat shit no one wants wrapped in dogshit that banks need. It's a bomb that's been growing as giant corporate buildings become ghost towns, and city centers become more horizontal than verticle.
Big companies with big loans from banks know they're fucked if the corporate real estate market collapses. So they force work from home as a band aid that gives their corporate property some value, or at least justifies it on paper. In reality, the cost to force workers into the office always offsets the billions in losses if their corporate office real estate ever followed real market forces and depreciated in value.
RTO is now just a tactic to force people to quit.
The jargon you're looking for is a stealth layoff
They should rebrand the stupid “quiet quitting” as “quiet layoffs”
Step 1: Create one of the greatest tools in human history, one of the benefits being that it can allow a ton of people to work from home, increasing their quality of life, reducing traffic, and improving air pollution.
Step 2: Get forced to experience a worldwide pandemic in which we are made to utilize this tool for such a function so we can see that it actually works as intended.
Step 3: Ignore all that for the profit of the few, to the detriment of the many.
Humans = Trash
This reasoning plays in my mind on repeat whenever I'm stuck in traffic, wondering how much I'd be getting done if i didn't have to stop working so i could drive to work.
say it with me: GET OVER IT CORPOS, MEATSPACE IS DEPRECATED.
"Tell me you're not invested in office real estate without telling me you're not invested in office real estate."
Rare to see a CEO saying something sensible I agree with.
I'd love to see labor organize so when management is like "come into the office" they can be like "no". Let management try to do anything by themselves. They can't. Labor has untapped power.
When a significant part of your economy is commercial real estate and every surrounding business that supports it (transportation, retail, restaurants) it’s very hard to reverse course.
It's certainly difficult to admit that the world has changed.
Sears' real estate holdings didn't save it.
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