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Southern Defense Forces struck a locomotive hauling Russian equipment, destroying 13 tanks and over 100 armored and automotive vehicles. Z-bloggers claim FPV drones were hidden in a grain car. (sopuli.xyz)

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[-] [email protected] 52 points 4 days ago

This is amazing.

The Kremlin has always been paranoid. And now, Ukraine is giving them something to be paranoid about. Every transport is a risk. Every storage container. Every warehouse. I doubt the Kremlin has enough loyalty to have people screen everything that can potentially have explosive drones.

What's better? I would be willing to bet that the transporting and storage of the drones is entirely unknown by the drivers and workers. I'll bet someone was paid to get "sanctioned supplies" into Russia. Hell, they could actually be sending them with sanctioned stuff.

This could be a devastating psychological warfare strategy that may just work against the world's biggest psychological threat.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

isn't using civilian infrastructure to hide military stuff like a warcrime or illegal

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

apparently:

Loss of Protected Status:
- Civilian transport loses its legal protection if used for military purposes (e.g., transporting weapons or combatants).
- Once identified as a military objective, it becomes a lawful target for attack, endangering civilians nearby.
Perfidy (Treachery):
- Prohibited under Article 37 of Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions.
- Using civilian symbols (e.g., Red Cross/Red Crescent emblems, UN markings) to disguise military operations constitutes perfidy.
- Example: Hiding missiles in an ambulance marked with a red cross to deceive the enemy.
War Crimes under the Rome Statute:
- Intentionally using protected civilian objects to shield military operations qualifies as a war crime (Article 8(2)(b)(xxiii)).

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

To me that says no.

There was no civilian aid symbology as far as we know, no UN, etc. Russia probably wouldn't allow them in anyway.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

So TL;DR, no, this is legitimate deception, as long as it's not coming from anything that pretends to be humanitarian aid or other protected status

The only potentially war-crime part is making Russian civilians unwitting accomplices and potential targets.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

The only potentially war-crime part is making Russian civilians unwitting accomplices and potential targets.

That's no war-crime. That is Kremlin against their own people (murder is not war crime..)

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I am not a lawyer, and doubly so when it comes to international law. But what Ukraine was doing in these operations might, might constitute a war crime, since this is transporting materiel and launching an attack from trucks that are driven by enemy civilians. That's pretty close to a human shield. I am not sure if trickery, as opposed to coercion, makes a difference when it comes to these things, and also, for them to be human shields someone has to figure out there's a target there in the first place.

When Russia is, y'know, just straight up using human shields: https://lieber.westpoint.edu/weaponizing-civilians-human-shields-ukraine/

I'm not saying this to demean the operation, it was brilliant. But international law is complicated, so I'm sure there's some war crimes to be found when you dig deep enough.

Слава Україні!

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

The concept of a war crime has not existed for at least 50 years now.

[-] [email protected] 39 points 4 days ago

These drones are beginning to be like bed bugs, the Russians are going to wonder if they're hiding in everything, that's hilarious.

Keep it up Ukraine

[-] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago

[-] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

They should hide them in toilets and washing machines near the front line, eventually they'll end up back in Russia.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

That's overkill. Better to just stick a block of C4 under the seat with a pressure switch so that when you plop your Rusky ass down you get inducted into the Russian space program.

[-] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago

Only a matter of time before a train rolls into Moscow and drones start flying everywhere.

The Ukrainians have it down to a science now.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago

I like to think Ukraine has months worth of attacks like this that catch Russia completely with their pants down.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

The Russians entire ideology centres around dick swinging, so it's no surprise their pants are down and will continue to be down because it's all they know.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The comic made me actually laugh. Well done.

Slava Ukraini

[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

I love that meme with the hat. Was also published with a truck after this weeks grandios achievements against the orc bombers.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Why is the train wearing a hat?

[-] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago

"Destroying 13 tanks" or they just fell from platforms? Because falling from the RW platform isn't enough to destroy a tank.

[-] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago

Baaed off the translation post, I would say they blew the engine and brought the train to a stop then they came in and destroyed all the equipment.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

"The first blow was delivered to the locomotive, after which the train began to lose speed and was stopped. The enemy destroyed most of the equipment without hindrance."