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Well... It has those things for the settler population
for all its citizens
[s] What are you talking about? Israel is probably one of the countries that gives it's citizens the most. The results really are admirable. Everyone should really look into how they did it (After miming looking at my phone for a single second) Oh... Oh no... Fuck. [/s].
Seriously though, the word "citizens" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
This is both true, and not entirely accurate.
Israel spends something like $24 on their defense. The $3B that the the US gives them (and it's $3B, not $4B, based on what I can find) is largely in the form of military materials: ammunition, bombs, air defense systems, etc. So what we give them is about 20% of their total defense spend, and yeah, that's a lot.
But the flip side of that is that American workers in American factories are the ones building the bombs, missiles defense systems, making the bullets, etc.; the money that the gov't gives Israel ends up creating a benefit for workers in the form of work that wouldn't otherwise exist. I'd have to see a real economic analysis, but this might be a case of each dollar that the gov't spends creating more than a dollar of effect. (And yeah, I know that a lot of that effect is going to e.g. Raytheon shareholders rather than line workers. But still.)
BUT
The fact that we see an economic benefit in terms of jobs and growth by giving Israel aid doesn't mean we should. Because we're directly funding the genocide of the Palestinians.
Israel spends something like $24 on their defense.
I assume there's supposed to be a B on the end of that figure. But it's funny picturing them spending just twenty-four bucks.
Yes, $24B, sorry.
If they spent $24.00 on their own defense, and the US gave them $3B, then, uh, they'd be 100% dependent on the US.
Imagine spending that 3 billions on American health care workers.. rather than Raytheon
It wouldn't even be noticeable. We spend a total of about $4.5 trillion [EDIT: on healthcare]; $3B is 0.07% of that total.
And, BTW, we have terrible outcomes for how much we spend.
Is that 4.5 trillion including cost to the individual? Or just production.
Because I imagine the cost to the individual is a lot higher than it normally would be because of the profit incentive.
I imagine the number would be somewhat lower if it was near cost because it's govt funded. Curious how significant that difference would be
Gov't funded doesn't drop the cost that much. Countries in the west that are single-payer and/or have national/socialized healthcare systems pay between 1/5 and 2/3 of what we do per capita, on average. It might be better in countries where the entire supply chain is subject to price controls (e..g., China), but I don't know. But, regardless, if our system cost 20% of what it does now, or $900B, $3B would still be only .3% of the entire expenditure. Part of the problem is that, as far as western countries go, the US is just big. The population of Israel is estimated to be about 9.5M, compared to 340M or so for the US.
Again, to be clear: I'm not suggesting that we should be giving--or selling--Israel anything at this point.
It's a doubled sided genocide. America send money over to Israel so they can kill they're own citizen and the US doesn't have the money to save its citizens lives.
It'd be so much easier if they both stopped trying to kill people
Whatever happened to the right wing talking point of “Take care of our country first”?
Remember when the right thought The Jewish bankers controlled the world. They made whole documentaries on it and everything. Crazy how fast the beliefs of all groups shift from year to year.
They still do.
This is what's crazy about it all.
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They still believe it, but at the same time they respect those Arab killing strong men.
The right always prefer strong men above everything else. Even their own countries.
The right wing part focuses on the eschaton with Israel in their death cult.
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You mean decent, hardworking capitalist Americans are subsidising a socialist hellscape??? 😯
Its more fascist America funds national socialist Israel.
Pffft, details shmetails. If it's got socialism in the name it's the devil. I don't wanna risk any of my tax dollars going to help me or - heaven forbid, my neighbor - when it could be used to push a hard working billionaire's pile that much closer to trickling down! I can almost feel that golden shower already!
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Countries with nukes should never receive any aid for anything, ever.
That should be the price of having nukes.
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Democrat/Republican is all a smoke show. They both agree that Israel deserves our money. You're not allowed to question it. You're not allowed to boycott them. Even bringing it up is anti-Semitic activity.
If you want to know who the real bosses are, look at who it's illegal to criticize.
In Texas, it's literally illegal for governments to buy products or award contracts to anyone who denounces the actions of Israel.
Like: when I was analyzing bids for janitorial services for City Hall, I was legally required to vett the bidders' stances on Israel.
Well, at least no one would possibly have anything to say about Israel...
That is some free speech right there!
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Yeah right ... their own tax base is enough to cover the cost of public services like that ...
... but a genocide? ... Palestine ain't gonna genocide itself ... that shit costs money
A lot of the money goes towards to illegal colonial settlements. These cost far more in security and infrastructure and the social services there are much more expensive to get more people to go there for "good roads and schools".
Even before the genocide Israel has been heavily subsidized by the US and other allies.
As UNRWA has been covering much of the humanitarian obligations Israel has as an occupying force over the past half century the global community has been subsidizing Israel with dozens of billions too.
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The dumbass people in this country didn't get jealous of the universal health care they paid to institute in Iraq. There's no hope.
Isn't that all military equipment?
Which is worse. Like it's not that the US is subsidizing something good like higher education, but rather bombs and guns for faster genocide?
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I was unfamiliar with the national dog of Argentina. I thought it was strange that it looks like a Staffordshire Terrier, so I looked it up and was delighted to learn that it's called the "Dogo Argentinio." Perfect fucking name, I love it.
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I wish Trump would chicken out on this.
The USA gives Israel billions in exchange for intelligence and for running intel ops for the USA. This is not free money.
The military aid is spent on US defense contracts so it is more a subsidy for arms manufacturers than a gift to Israel.
This is true but its a sad state of affairs when the US would rather spend money bullying other countries to further corporate interests than giving their own citizens access to health care and education.
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