It's evidence that it works. That the missing piece is the crowd source. You said it's impossible and magical. That is wrong. A problem is the datasets are from before the APIs were locked down. It's hard to get new data. New methods are needed.

Dataset is too technical for what I'm saying. But it's still important here. Communities should be built to combat bots, not ignore the problem. There are ways to identify activity and observe and even interfere to the point that it either costs them too much to keep up or makes them ineffective. But there needs to be the community to build that awareness. Instead it seems like the people that are disadvantaged by these networks and bots also have this mentality to ignore and avoid it all.

https://www.gudea.ai/

You can't just magically call everything magical in an attempt to discredit and expect anyone thing you're anybody but dishonest. I'm not spending the evening attempting to keep you on track when you can't be bothered to read and instead you're just looking for bullshit arguments and at worst attempting to discredit for whatever personal reason you have.

No it doesn't. That's not it. And this is how i know you're just a terminally online individual arguing out of instinct rather than common sense. Il not be commenting further.

But to my point. Crowd sourcing these things works. It's a missed opportunity in these early days to be passive and more concerned with bean posts.

Hey,

What do you think crowd sourcing means. Like what is your definition in relation to building whatever it is you're describing. How did you get there?

That's not the point. There is no issue with random people using LLM to craft their messages. The issue is using a network of bots to promote the latest marvel movie. Draw attention to the latest political blunder. Or just groups trying to push people further to the edges politically until nothing works.

Look at this fucking guy. Likely not a bot. But is an example of someone who is posting pattern is suspicious. It needs to be studied. That's something we can't do. But we can collect and analyze in a way that i think people can get into. I think using the internet and sites like lemmy for this is way more effective any most stuff people are trying to do. This he what the internet was made for and the only people not using it for this seems to be leftist groups.

Any verification is wrong. Like everything in life, it will only impose a restriction on people who don't have the ability to circumvent it at best. The only reason this would go forward is if it can be used against those people somehow. Data collection. Censorship.

Need to go the other way. Lean in not away. Look at why bots exist. Find ways to jam that system up. Like if it's a bot trying to promote a new movie. Every comment should be shitting on that movie. If it's a bot in November trying to post the latest drop ship night light star projector on r/coolstufftotallynotjustads well I'm pretty sure my cousin bought that lamp and was the reason his house burned down. For a couple years let's fuck it all up. Make the internet inhospitable to politics, business, advertisers. If it's some racist Facebook group, they pay ads to promote their bot group, so post it here on lemmy and report spam the group since they use bots to moderate. Chase them the fuck out. If they try to stop us it'll cost them millions and us nothing to find new ways. Their option is to either restrict us to the point their platforms suck or they have to increase the number of bots costing them more and more and more until it's not worth it. Go to fucking war with them and take the internet back instead of going the route of giving DNA samples to some 3rd party owned by meta just to look at porn.

I don't know. I'm just done with it all. I like to image a world 20 years ago where we all saw the internet moving towards corporate interest and we chased them out. Instead they now create a problem and sell the solution and we all clap and fucking cheer

Hitler was much easier to kill as a baby. That's all.

After I posted this I came across a topic that is likely filled with bots pumping it. Get in early. Look for indicators. Tag and bag them. But there's needs to be some type of community for this. Like a scambaiters

"Famous Influencer Druski under flame for doing "Whiteface" after a video of him making fun of Erika Kirk surfaced online.."

imagine that my comment on a post about an age verification process that's being adopted by multiple sites could exist long after reddit fails. What then?

It's just building and gamify strategically. There's no magic here. It works. Bots can adapt all they want. They're still constraint and limited by technology and money.

What is magic is humans ability to use inference and deduction to see things that are not right in front of us. It's hard to see this online especially the way some conversations go.... but regardless of that, people could easily detect patterns that are used in the wild. We just need data. Lemmy communities are perfectly set up for this for now.

Just open it all up to everyone. Fuck it. There's a point we all just get bored of it

Discord did the same thing didn't they?

Also reddit heavily used bots to fill they site with posts for years. They were one of the biggest ones. Kiss my ass reddit

So, you want to hire hundreds of thousands of moderators? The human is smarter, yeah, but not the bot doing the detection.

I don't know where this is coming from. Nobody is being hired. If anything I'm becoming more anti-mod lately. I feel like put boxes on things that suck oxygen out of the room rapidly. But that's a different discussion.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but to clarify I am not saying we need to build our own bot detection but I would be a nice have eventually. I am saying we should be crowd sourcing our collective anger and ADHD or Autism or whatever drives us to post bean moth lemmy slop and instead focus on collection of the worst bot infestations. There are patterns. Bots are not random enough that they can't be identified with large crowd sourced efforts. They're also in their infancy which means it will only get harder going forward.

You or I aren't able to avaliable accurately tell right now. Have you ever seen the Sinclair news video? The one where every news station repeats the same dialogue. Can you or I flip on the news any day of the week and call that out, unlikely. But we can logical understand it is something that happens. It becomes obvious there is a script only when you collect the data and begin to analyze it. That is what I'm saying we need to figure out and gamify.

Name generation, text, patterns. At the start it won't be accurate. But as more data is collected it'll become obvious. If the bots were that good, these websites would have left their APIs open. But they closed them so we can't collect this data. I'm the type of person when powerful people do something like that, I want to know why and work around that. It's not a coincidence that they locked their sites up when people were given tools where anyone could collect data and feed it into AI for analysis.

Our inaction to do anything when the greatest opportunities are right in front of us but slipping away is a tragedy of this generation.