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Utah study on trans youth care extremely inconvenient for politicians who ordered it (www.motherjones.com)

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The state’s ban on gender-affirming pediatric care “cannot be justified” by science, a two-year review concluded.

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[-] [email protected] 39 points 4 days ago

They forgot to rig it.

But seriously, the response is disgusting. This is a report you requested, using experts seeking genuine truth. The goal was to improve lives and understand the effects of treatment. There are ethical reasons one could reject a report saying it's not good, namely bodily autonomy and individual freedom, but when the evidence comes back that you shouldn't restrict this individual freedom, that's pretty heinous to do so.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago

You forgot the tiny detail that their feelings don't care about facts.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

Oh what was that saying the Trump crowd was so proud of but can't stand when it's said back to them...

Oh right.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Facts don't care about their feelings, but their feelings don't care about facts either.

[-] [email protected] 164 points 5 days ago

Doesn't matter, they'll ignore it or write it off as leftist propaganda despite being the ones that ordered the study. They don't need reasons to hate as long as it keeps the sheep voting for them.

[-] [email protected] 94 points 5 days ago

When Roald Reagan pushed tax cuts for the rich George W. Bush called it 'voo-doo economics.'

In almost five decades, the taxcuts have never paid for themselves as reagan promised.

[-] [email protected] 45 points 5 days ago

Funny since they both were propped up by the heritage foundation.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 5 days ago

As Henry Ford said of the Model T. "You can get it any color you want, as long as it's black."

You can have any candidate you want, as long as it's a Conservative.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

*regressive

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

Why ignore their own review? Polling, the legislators’ statement suggests. “Utah was right to lead on this issue, and the public agrees—polls show clear majority support both statewide and nationally,” Hall and Bolinder added in their statement. “Simply put, the science isn’t there, the risks are real, and the public is with us.”

[-] [email protected] 130 points 5 days ago

But according to the Salt Lake Tribune, legislators behind the ban are already dismissing the findings they asked for.

Of course they are. They never believed in science. It's why they have so many anti-vaxxers in their camp. They tried to lean on it (science) because they hoped it would legitimize their hateful beliefs. It's not difficult to throw it away when it doesn't come out on their side.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They’ve been lying about what gender affirming care for kids looks like, why would they tell the truth about anything? There’s a coordinated effort to platform fake detransitioners, to claim that kids are getting handed out surgery and hormones willy nilly, to pretend that adult trans people don’t exist.

Arguing with these people is like trying to hold sand. They start with “I don’t want trans people to exist” and work backwards.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago

Who would you rather believe, my man-made book about our magical friend in the sky or some stupid data driven peer reviewd scientific study?

[-] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago

I mean, it isn't as though politicians are above fabricating a bunch of medicalized Trans bigotry. The UK's Cass Report is one such example.

What's amazing is that Utah's researchers did the leg work properly, rather than conducting a series of FOX News style interviews and Steven Crowder inspired trolling.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Believe it or not, Mormons and Utahns in general tend to be well educated and do follow the science up until it hits against religious and political barriers.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

This would suggest one such collision, which is what causes my surprise.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Honestly, "Doing the science properly, and then just ignoring the results if you don't like them" is pretty much the Mormons' MO.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

As someone who has grown up and lived among the Mormons, I really have to disagree. They are dense, brainwashed, sexist, culty mother fuckers who will value nothing more than conformity.

[-] [email protected] 69 points 5 days ago

Utah doesn't have a great track record of following the science. Especially if they are "moved by the Holy Ghost."

[-] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

Not an American.
Utah is where the Amish live, isn't it?

[-] [email protected] 43 points 5 days ago

No, Mormons.

The Amish, chiefly found in Pennsylvania and Ohio, mainly keep to themselves, making delicious cheeses and maple syrup.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago

Well you forgot the rape.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago

And the measles

[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

I wasn't aware of all the Amish rape.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago

And animal abuse :)

[-] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

And incest, and child molestation.

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

And high quality furniture and incredible baked goods.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Mormonism is a religion founded in the late 1800’s by a guy named Joseph Smith who used to do fortune telling by “seeing” through rocks. He “found” some golden plates which were written in “Reformed Egyptian,” which no one else got to see. He “translated” them using the magic stones and the help of the Angel Moroni, and found that they had a story about Jesus coming to the Americas to teach the Native Americans who turn out to be the Lost Tribes of Israel. (It’s just a coincidence that his book seems to have a lot of ideas in common with a fiction book written around the time, and that “it came to pass” and other BoMism’s sound just like someone trying to write like the King James Bible.)

He later had a revelation from God that the only way to get to heaven was to marry lots of women, especially teenage girls. God made sure to send him a message to forward to his wife about how this was okay and she had to accept it or god wouldn’t be happy with her.

He also bought an Egyptian papyrus off of a PT Barnum type (may even have straight up been Barnum, been a billion years since I read Fawn Brodie’s No Man Knows My History) to translate that “Reformed Egyptian” into the “Book of Abraham.” This was before the discovery of the Rosetta Stone, so no one had any idea how to translate Egyptian hieroglyphs yet. (That papyri was lost for a century, but later discovered hidden in a picture frame. It was a mutilated Egyptian Book of the Dead.)

The Mormons had a tendency of pissing everyone off, and got chased out of Missouri (where the Garden of Eden is) and Illinois. Smith himself was killed in jail. They moved to Utah, where they could have as many child wives as they wanted. (Everyone forgets that the Republican Party was originally founded to oppose “the two barbarisms” - slavery and polygamy.) Brigham Young took the child wife thing to the next level, and also added lots more racism. (Black people are souls that sat out the original battle in heaven between Jesus and Satan. If they are really good they get to be servants on a white persons paradise planet after they die. Black Mormons couldn’t have the priesthood until the 1970’s - which all adult Mormon men need the priesthood to save their own families.)

They did eventually give up the polygamy because they wanted statehood (on earth - but guys still get extra spirit wives on their heaven planet.)

The current Church, like Scientology, is a real estate grift (they own billion dollar malls.) They also were responsible for things like Prop 8/attacking gay marriage in the late naughts.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Nah Utah is Mormons. Amish are in Pennsylvania and Ohio

[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

Mormans: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

Edit: speling

[-] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

AKA the even crazier brand of Christian. They're not quite Scientologist levels of crazy, but they're not far off.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago

They are worse. They believe in the "end times," hence Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell murders and countless other bad actors who believe Christ is coming tomorrow so what they do today is justified.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

That's just an evangelical Christian thing. I know a Baptist who's always going on about the rapture and how "Jesus is coming". The nutter once couldn't find anyone for a couple hours and didn't see anyone outside and decided the rapture had begun so she went and started packing a bag "to meet Jesus".

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

It's mental illness, only we are so used to it that it's been normalized to a degree. Just saying so triggers a sense of religious persecution. Going back to the Lori Vallow example, she still seems to think she's right and won't spend the rest of her life in prison, going off her court appearances and a television interview. She murdered her children and commissioned the murder of her husband and likely conspired in the murder of Chad Dabell's wife, for those not in the know.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

They get their own planet.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!

[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

Latter. Apologies for pedantry.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Whoops! Typo. Thanks!

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

A cult decided they weren't culty enough and formed another cult.

That's how you get Mormons

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

Look, if we ban science; no more pesky facts getting in our way. /s

[-] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

"hey we didn't say anything about science... did you guys order the wrong kind of study? i meant like bible study"

[-] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago

Someone should force Keir Starmer and the UK Government to read this report. They have been bad but they may not be quite as far gone as the Republicans.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

Wait Nazis aren't rational and just?

Well they more I hear about them, the less I like em.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

Since when did Republicans give a rats ass about science?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

In the off-chance it doesn't totally disprove them.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Good job there’s more than 20 other studies out there for them to p-hack

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