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[-] [email protected] 86 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's nothing new.

Gamers who don't know any programming, or maybe made a little utility for themselves. Looovee to bring out the old "just change one line of code", "just add this model", etc. to alter something in a game.

They literally do not understand how complex systems become, specially in online multiplayer games. Riot had issues with their spaghetti code, and people were crawling over eachother to explain how "easy" it would be to just change an ability. Without realizing that it could impact and potentially break half a dozen other abilities.

[-] [email protected] 77 points 2 months ago

Even if you're an actual software dev, it's still pretty much impossible to guess how much work something is without knowing the codebase intimately.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

Absolutely, it's impossible to know how much. But it's a lot easier to grasp that it's rarely just "changing a few lines" when it comes to these types of situations.

Specially since many programmers have encountered clients, managers, etc. who think it's that simple as well.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

My favorite one is "Just add multiplayer".

Sure. I'll just go right ahead and toggle it in the engine. Why didn't I think of that?

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

When a dev with game dev experience says something should be easy to fix, it's under the assumption of a reasonable code base. Most games are built off of common engines and you can sometimes infer how things are likely organized if you track how bugs are introduced, how objects interact, how things are loaded, etc...

When something is a 1 day bugfix under ideal conditions, saying it will take 6+ months is admitting one of:

  • The codebase is fucked
  • All resources are going to new features
  • Something external is slowing it down (palworld lawsuit, company sale, C-suite politics, etc...)
  • Your current dev team is sub par

Not that any of those is completely undefendable or pure malpractice, but saying it "can't" be done or blaming complexity is often a cop out.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

In the real world there is no entirely reasonable code base. There's always going to be some aspects of it that are kind of shit, because you intended to do X but then had to change to doing Y, and you have not had time or sufficient reason to properly rewrite everything to reflect that.

We tend to underestimate how long things will take, precisely because when we imagine someone doing them we think of the ideal case, where everything is reasonable and goes well. Which is pretty much guaranteed to not be the case whenever you do anything complex.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

I'm a software dev and it should only take 7.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Diablo4 has memory leak issues. As a software engineer myself, I just don't see any excuse for a game this long in production to have memory leak problems.

There is no doubt that a lot of games are getting rushed without being properly tested.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

as a professional software dev, games with fozens or hundreds of abilities that interact with eachother scare me

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[-] [email protected] 50 points 2 months ago

Half a year's work takes 6 months? I had no idea

[-] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago

Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

This still cracks me up even though I heard it so many years ago

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[-] [email protected] 47 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

if it takes you 6 months to add a new fundamental game mechanic then thats understandable

if it takes you 6 months to remove an unnecessary popup then youre incompetent. (looking at you, Hunt Showdown)

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Lol hunt takes six months dev time to make the ui twice as worse

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[-] [email protected] 45 points 2 months ago

I wish my clients would understand that, and my code is a lot simpler than a video game.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I built an API connector for work (I'm a hobbyist, not a pro) to download what is the most common cargo transported by trucking companies from the DoT database. Everyone complained because they had to enter the company names correctly into a CSV as it wouldn't accept typos or do fuzzy matching, nor could it automatically determine which was the head office of a company, only return a list of all of the offices.

[-] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago

But other media said that coding is as simple as asking couple of question on chat.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Copilot, add destructible terrain to my game please

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[-] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago

Mostly agree, 98% of requests are unrealistic. Most of these requests are not even simple.

But many times, things ARE fucked. And when that happen - dear gamers, don't curse devs, as a team. There was shitty ceo, who couldnt make a straight decision or changed them 200 times a day, because felt some popular new feature totally must be in the game, that ruined whole concept. Many times, the concept were shitty from the start, then blame director of that. Even more often, publishers pushes their financial decision over dev team (hello Helldivers2 vs Sony). Yet another time, some lawsuit shitstorm happens, that makes devs scrap something (hello Palworlds vs big_n). And many times, its all together.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago

Maybe the suits can fix that in a week by using AI.

/s btw

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Hey ChatGPT, code a new island!

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Players: it's not unique enough and that makes it boring. It's like they rushed this one with some standard stuff.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago
[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Don't compare actual games to scams.

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago

For Palworld, a new island takes 6 months, per the article. Probably talking about Sakurajima and the big southern one. That makes sense, since it's not just putting stuff there and calling it a day on the first finished thing, some level design has to happen so the place makes sense and doesn't feel super boring to explore.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

My Helldivers gripe is that the war bonds cost too much for the casual player. 1000 super credits takes a while to gather, and even grind. Paying actual money for them is about $25aud per war bond. I think there's eight war bonds now? That's a full day's income, and you still need to collect medals to unlock the contents of the warbond.

Edit: You all don't need to explain this to me, I'm aware of the options for getting super credits. None of that changes how I feel about the game and that I'm losing interest because of it.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

But you don’t “need” to unlock them all on the day of release, there is no FOMO component, they don’t disappear after a month.

And if you play enough to unlock them faster than they can get them out, you definitely have the time to grind the 1000SC to unlock them.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Have to disagree. The war bonds have been some of the easiest to pay with in game currency compared to games like cod where their cod points feel next to worthless.

If you are netting very few credits per hell dive, you may be playing with those that don’t need them or playing bots, or a newly released content. Farming on level 1 will often get you with like minded folk, especially before a war bonds release. Farming is quick when you realize you don’t have to extract, just abort to ship.

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It would also be great if devs added things during development that should simply be there at launch. Instead of that, shit gets rushed out the door with promises of future fixes and updates. And then devs get all huffy when people rightfully ask for things to be added that are supposed to be basic launch features…

[-] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago

What I don't understand is why do developers make bad games? They should just make good games instead.

Gamers want good games, not bad games.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

The developers aren't in charge of what's in the game, the PMs and accountants are

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

supposed to be basic launch features

isn't this very subjective and dependent on the game and scale of success?

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

But like, the commercial said that making games is just sitting on a couch and pressing a sound board to add that one sound effect in level 3, so like I don’t know why they want money for it.

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