Work Reform

That sounds like a very privileged mindset to me. Most of us don't have the resources to have that luxury.

Not everybody has all the information to know whether a company is known for this kind of shit. I've heard a lot of stories about PayPal screwing over sellers in particular by freezing their funds for no justified reason, but I can see people falling for the "they must have been doing something bad they aren't admitting" you always see in response to anyone complaining about some authority imposing arbitrary punishments on them.

My personal gripe with PayPal is, I was once relying on income from sales through them, and had withdrawn money to my bank that I needed to pay my rent. A customer filed a spurious dispute (later resolved in my favor) on a sale that was only a tiny portion of that, and their response was to immediately reverse the whole completed bank transfer. So I almost missed paying rent and had to scramble to figure it out at the last minute.

Anyway, fuck PayPal, sympathy to all their victims.

That was the very first thing I thought of. For the unaware, promissory estoppel is when party A is damaged by party B promising something, then later rescinding it. It is something you can file a lawsuit over.

For instance, maybe someone says “I’ll buy you a brand new Maserati if you drive your current car off a bridge.” You know they can afford the car, and a reasonable person would believe this promise. So you shake on it, and proceed to dump your car over the side of the bridge. Then that person laughs and goes “yeah, I changed my mind. I’m not buying you a Maserati.” Now you have been damaged because of an action you took due to their promise. You can sue them, to force them to fulfill their side of the promise, or at least to make you whole again.

In the screenshot’s case, it sounds like he made some major financial investments in this job. He moved to a new location, turned down other job offers, etc… He could sue PayPal to force them to repay the costs that he incurred as a result of their rescinded job offer.

The only reason employers still do shit like this is because individuals either don’t realize that they can sue for it, or don’t realize that lawyers will take their case.

Not a lawyer, but the usual explanation is that these contracts are “at will” and the contract includes language indicating it can be terminated by either party for any reason at any time.

Again, not a lawyer and I agree this is terrible behavior. However, this is why some people say you should never give notice until you’ve literally started your new job.

Theil holds Vance's leash, tightly. If Vance becomes president, Theil becomes president.

This was actually pretty normal for the last couple of tech jobs. Screening call with recruiter, phone screen with hiring manager, then a full-day on-site or zoom with 3-6 rounds. Sometimes, they would ask for a presentation about past work before the on-site. The number of rounds isn't indicative of anything in big tech. Smaller companies do fewer and can't afford to be as picky.

The problem is that after you've signed the offer and given your notice, you're going on faith that the new company offer isn't going to fall off. I've heard it happen a few times, usually when new company puts on a full hiring freeze.

It sucks, and the only way to mitigate it is to be talking to multiple companies when you decide to make a move.

The giant red flag is the name "PayPal".

Yeah. I have been in a poition doing the hiring for over 10 years now and so far never ever needed more than three contacts with a possible employee. (Beide administrative things, like finding a dafe for an interview,etc.)

First contact Is via phone(or mail or a combination of both)if I find anything in the application that leaves questions open or is inconsistent.

Second contact is the actual interview. Nowadays m company is so small that we can do them "with the team", back in an earlier job that was not possible - so part three was either an long interview with the team or (preferably but not always possible) a day working with the team. (Whicu is of course payed at the same rate everyone gets)

But in my country we have to reimburse peoples travel costs and "trial tasks" during interviews would need to be payed as well.

I jumped through hoops like that once. Six or seven interviews with everyone from HR to one of the company founders, had to submit a freaking essay, only to be low-balled by the salary at the end; I ended up declining the offer. Biggest waste of time.

No, this is on you guys for not having laws or unions. If a company pulls this shit off here they get to may multiple months of paychecks in damages because they had signed the contract. And even still they cant just lay somebody off like that.

Welcome to modern society :')

I mean, we live in a hellscape. Even if they had given him a start date, they can still fire him at any point for no reason. Labor has almost no protections (in the US, at least). It would be only slightly less bad to accept the new job, take it, quit the old job, and then get fired.

I'd rather we have like basic income, free health care, and public housing, so people don't need to worry about dying because some capitalist is willing to hire them.

He's being held hostage by unemployment in 2025. Even though it seems like he's caving it's not a bad move. He exposed the situation and at the same time kept an optimistic stance for future opportunities.

Bro's been brainwashed by hustle & grind culture. He's not ready to accept he's a victim.