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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

People have been falling for the lies of big tech companies for too long. We desperately need unions, and those unions need to push back on these kinds of ineffectual, time-wasting hiring processes.

Look at this asshole though. The image cuts off right when he's starting into the mealy-mouthed hustle culture part of the linkedin post. Gotta show that you, special magical you, are the one developer who doesn't mind the exploitation. You stay positive and give 110% to everything, even when they're fucking you over.

There's always a stupid as shit hustle bro willing to scab and do the work, they can vibe code through it I guess. If this god forsaken industry had any solidarity at all, then no tech company you've ever heard of would be able to hire a single person any more.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Ill join a union if everyone else does.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 52 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 31 minutes ago

I know. However, with AI management will just take the 10% that choose not to join and give them the additional 90% of work, then hire offshore people to cover the rest. Their profits wont increase but theyll still make out like bandits because labor is cheaper.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 hour ago

the last paragraph took this post from "that sucks" to solidly "yea this didn't happen" territory It's just more pro corporate slop meant to keep people on the platform instead of going out and looking for local jobs or going to actual websites to find open positions

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Peter Thiel is evil. Don't work for him. Don't use his products.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 hour ago

You're more likely to have his products used against you, by your government and the corporations that rule you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 35 minutes ago (1 children)

That is partially on you

Don't trust companies, especially big companies.

You want me to move to a different city? Pay me.

You want me to quit my current job? I will right after I have signed an actual contract that guarantees I'll have a job with you.

I will NOT risk my life for some billionaire CEO

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 minutes ago

No, this is on you guys for not having laws or unions. If a company pulls this shit off here they get to may multiple months of paychecks in damages because they had signed the contract. And even still they cant just lay somebody off like that.

Welcome to modern society :')

[–] [email protected] 1 points 55 minutes ago

Use a drone to drop shit on the office roof 24x7

Stop taking punches and give them instead

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

General advice before was to wait until you’ve signed the contract and have a start date before quitting your current job. Now you have to wait until you actually start the new job before you quit the old one?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 25 minutes ago

I mean, we live in a hellscape. Even if they had given him a start date, they can still fire him at any point for no reason. Labor has almost no protections (in the US, at least). It would be only slightly less bad to accept the new job, take it, quit the old job, and then get fired.

I'd rather we have like basic income, free health care, and public housing, so people don't need to worry about dying because some capitalist is willing to hire them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

Honestly I've lined most of my jobs up where theres slight over lap and all of I've been able to get out of my last few days early and atleast be covered for 2-4 weeks because ill still be get my paycheck from my previous job as im starting the new one.

Ive been doing this for 9 years and been at 4 different companies.

Seems wild to me to just quit a few weeks about and leave the gap but im also a financially the traumatized millennial.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 hours ago

And even if you do start the new job, most jobs have a probationary period around ninety days where they can just let you go for no reason at all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Seems an argument for "over employment", or at least taking a leave from current job to work second.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I'm sorry, but if a prospective employer is asking me to do seven rounds of interviews, I'm going to take that as a giant red flag that they a.) don't respect me or my time and b.) are woefully incompetent at every other aspect of their business.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

I jumped through hoops like that once. Six or seven interviews with everyone from HR to one of the company founders, had to submit a freaking essay, only to be low-balled by the salary at the end; I ended up declining the offer. Biggest waste of time.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I did three interviews once with a company. Even shadowed someone. Never doing that again. It's a complete waste of time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It needs to be illegal for employers to waste too much of our time.

This goes for interviews, commutes, and other situations where an employee is expected to give up their free time for free.

Thie idea that we owe parts of our lives and self that were never agreed upon when signing the contract needs to go away. The puritan work ethic needs to go away.

And we will need unions to accomplish this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 24 minutes ago

If they had to pay people for interviews they'd probably be a lot snappier about the process.

Like, sure, I'll do nine hours of interviews if you're paying me $100/hr.

[–] [email protected] 130 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

That post turned into garbage in the last visible paragraph. In such a case he should sue the recruiting company, not post about "have i given it my best". LinkedIn trash

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

Maybe but are you really going to hire a lawyer to sue when you don’t have a job to pay the rent?

I know someone who went through a similar situation. The company said they were “just getting the paperwork ready” for like 4 weeks, meanwhile my friend turned down another job offer. Then suddenly the company that had been stringing them along said “sorry”.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

If you’ve signed on an offer here, and it got rescinded, you’d have the easiest win in an employment lawsuit ever, maybe that doesn’t apply everywhere, but still seems worth a shot…

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

My solution to this is that I accept the other job offer, and I don't quit until the night before I start my first day in the new one. As a result I've never spent a single day unemployed. If something I'm counting on doesn't come through I'm already at my backup plan.

If companies won't be loyal to us in this way, why do we owe any loyalty to them in return?

[–] [email protected] 57 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Bro's been brainwashed by hustle & grind culture. He's not ready to accept he's a victim.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 hours ago

Trying to convince the working class they’re victims is worthless because they all believe they will win a lottery ticket to make it all feel better.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

In such a case he should sue the recruiting company

IANAL, but it certainly seems like he may have a case for promissory estoppel.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 hours ago

Estoppel is a fantastic word.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 hours ago

Reads more like LinkedinLunatics

[–] [email protected] 61 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Surely there are protections from this. If you have a signed employment contract and have given notice to your existing employer.

Oh, no wait. Working at Capitol One and an offer from PayPal so I guess they are in the US.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Lol here in the US there are no such protections. You have to fend for yourself.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 hours ago

I don't think there are explicit employer/employee federal regulations for that. There could be at the state level. However there are absolutely damages that occurred and a remedy can be pursued. It's called promissory estoppel. A signed offer letter is a legally binding document. They don't just get to wiggle out of that legally.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Can’t say for certain because I’ve never used it, but I’ve heard of a concept called promissory estoppel that might apply in situations like this.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago

That’s exactly what promissory estoppel is for. It’s a civil tort however, not criminal, so the vibes are very different.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

What employment contract? Those are rare in the US.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago

Not sure if there's specific nuance between an employment contract and an offer letter, but an offer letter is legally binding.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

"I quitted.." Maybe it was something elseM

[–] [email protected] 1 points 33 minutes ago

At least we know it was a real post and not AI

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 hours ago

Shenanigans.

Bilingual idiosyncrasies are not a factor in developer performance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

never work for paypal. scumbags. he got what he deserved for flirting with satan. fuck paypal.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I feel for this guy.

But I’ve also learned a valuable lesson in my travels: never, ever quit an existing job until after you’ve started your new job.

Not just accepted the offer, but attended your orientation day and got your new badge in hand. Then give your resignation.

Yes, I’d love to give my coworkers more of my time for offboarding and project hand-off, but in this world you have to look after yourself first. It sucks, but it’s how it is.

Never give a two-week notice. When you do that, your current employer may give you a new offer, but if you accept it, your tenure will not be the same, since you’re now seen as a flight risk, and they’ll look for a way to dispense with you and replace you within a year, or two, max.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yup.

I had to get it out of my last role but I liked a lot of the people I worked with. So I gave a 60-day resignation. Which would give them time to bring in a new person to fill the role. And give me time to hand over different platforms and processes. And teach him how to do the job.

24 hours later I was laid off on the spot and my accounts all shut down.

Now a month later they have hired a new guy and he's messaging me on LinkedIn begging for help.

I feel sorry for him. But fuck that...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Offer to help for an extremely petty consulting fee

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 minutes ago

I probably should. But I'm pretty stubborn when I feel betrayed.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

If you're in Germany, don't do this.

(Because legally binding contracts are legally binding, you would violate both and probably get fucked over income taxes, dunno. On the other hand, companies are bound to contracts as well and you're protected from bullshit like that)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah this wouldn't work in other European countries either.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

I mean it's not really needed in Europe where true legal rights exist for employees, right?

This is more of a "only in the USA" kind of thing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

My last position I got called in and the sentence I was given was almost the same. We are letting you go and want you to know this is not due to any performance reason its just a business decision.