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White House proposes giving out $5,000 checks to address falling birthrates amid growing ‘pronatalist’ movement

One of Donald Trump’s priorities for his second term is getting Americans to have more babies – and the White House has a new proposal to encourage them to do so: a $5,000 “baby bonus”.

The plan to give cash payments to mothers after delivery shows the growing influence of the “pronatalist” movement in the US, which, citing falling US birthrates, calls for “traditional” family values and for women – particularly white women – to have more children.

But experts say $5,000 checks won’t lead to a baby boom. Between unaffordable health care, soaring housing costs, inaccessible childcare and a lack of federal parental leave mandates, Americans face a swath of expensive hurdles that disincentivize them from having large families – or families at all – and that will require a much larger government investment to overcome.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I bet it will have the opposite effect.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

He "could" TOTALLY pay his way into a baby boom.

Step 1: Tax the rich. Lower the pressure on the lower and middle classes.

Step 2: Fix housing pricing so that a single hard-working person can afford a house, a car, and two kids without their partner having to work.

Step 3: Put some guardrails in place to stop the 2-3 companies that are buying up everything. Give medium and small business a chance to thrive without needing to be purchased by a giant company.

Step 4. Fix healthcare so that the family above gets 100% coverage for whatever happens. Pay for it with Step 1.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Just birthing the damn thing is like $50,000. He can shove the $5,000 right up his ass and I hope he gets paper cuts up there too.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is how you get Idiocracy. The people that would take advantage of this would be the people you don't want to over-breed.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The people that would take advantage of this would be the people completely lacking in critical thinking.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

And the same people who are likely to vote for whoever his fascist successor ends up being.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

In any case this combined with his dismantling of public education will certainly not help.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Wow, look at that! The price of strollers just went up 5k!

Replace strollers with basically anything related to birth or infants. 5k more to spend? 5k more to earn by big business selling wares.

This assumes the hospital doesn't determine that you seem to owe 5k more for that one out of network service provider they slipped in while you were distracted during birthing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hate our healthcare system so much. Individual bills for random doctors you never asked for that are somehow working for the hospital but are unrelated in terms of their insurance policy makes zero sense. How could anyone consent to anything in a reasonable fashion

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Preach. I can do nothing but agree, and I have insider info in the insurance industry, pharma and healthcare. It's all a game to make the rich even richer and the politicians are colluding in such a bipartisan fashion you'd think the parties were fully unified.

[–] [email protected] 126 points 3 days ago (23 children)

$5000???

Hahahahaha

Give me a house. Anything short of 1500 sqft, 3br, 1.5ba, on a half acre or more is just not enough for my gf and I to even consider.

And we are both gainfully employed.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

1500sqft starts to feel cozy with a bunch of teenagers hanging out.

$5000 probably won’t cover the lost salary from missing work, if adequate recovery time is taken to say nothing of the true developmental needs of the infant. Try 2 years of salary, just to get to a point where daycare can take over for some of the time (and you get to pay that too!).

I get that “we need kids to grow the economy” but also, humans are killing the planet and if our population keeps growing, we’re going to just keep on killing it faster.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If $5000 is a lot to you, he's really not interested in there being more of "your type" of person.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Actually, I'm sure he's quite interested in there being a nice big class of desperate labor pool ripe for exploitation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

To quote George Carlin, 'living babies make dead soldiers'.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 3 days ago (12 children)

$5000? Does Trump still think it's the 1950s?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I sizable chunk of the populace seems to harbor similar delusions

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago

Does Trump still think it's the 1950s?

Very likely, yes.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago

It's just a child, Michael. How much could it cost?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (4 children)

He’s making everything more expensive, gutting medicade to nothing (50% of babies are born on medicade), taking away food stamps, getting rid of the department of education, gutting hud, gutting head start, getting rid of free lunches in schools, sending us into a Great Depression, stripping worker protections and removing any hope for a future….but yeah 5k sure that will cover your first 15 minutes of delivery. What a joke this man is

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Give me one year paid family leave and Medicare for all, then we'll talk.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Maybe a grant for college as well, so I can get a degree so that I might actually be able to participate in society at large.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 days ago (6 children)

My wife and I would consider another kid if the fed wanted to kick us an extra $25k per year.

A one time fee of $5K is hilarious. You'd maybe be able to cover the hospital bill from having the kid with that sum.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You’d maybe be able to cover the hospital bill from having the kid with that sum.

If there's no complications.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Lmaooo no shit it won't work. Daycare alone is $20-$40k a year. A pittance one-time payment doesn't change the fundamental calculus of how fucking expensive everything is now

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Other countries have tried this, and it was a spectacular failure

His arrogance means that he's incapable of learning from others though, so good fucking luck

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago (9 children)

It's not a monetary issue, otherwise the middle class would have more kids than the poor, which isn't the case. It's simply that when given the right and the means to control how many kids they have, people choose to not have enough to renew the population.

Same pattern everywhere as women gain rights over their body and as contraceptives become available. Even in periods where there was a strong middle class, even in countries where socio-economic inequalities aren't as much an issue. Northern European countries and Quebec are some of the places with the most socio-economic equity and their birthrate is down the drain.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Turns out having kids is hard on a body, and I don’t blame any woman for not wanting to go through that.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago

That and women might have other aspirations than being baby factories. Who knew women had their own hopes and interests?

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I thought Republicans were against giving people handouts?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Only if Democrats are the ones doing the handouts. Trump was very happy to sign all those stim checks during covid. Didn't hear them bitching about socialism and communism then.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Why can't countries understand quality of life leads to more of those productive babies they really want

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They're pretending to offer incentives while their actual policies are why birth rates are declining.

5k won't even cover the hospital costs for the birth. Let alone the child care, continuing to insure that child, food, housing, child care because both parents need to work, education which they've been staying refunding for decades...

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

Literally cost us $11k in medical bills to have a baby. That doesn't include the cost of actually maintaining it either. $5k is a JOKE

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

Or they could just forgive the student loans haha, they are so stupid.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago

I'm not American. I thought "$5k/month for sure". Lol.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago

"What could raising a child cost? $5000?"

"You've never actually raised a child, have you?"

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

At least offer free healthcare and child birth, that’s $30,000 out of pocket if you’re middle class.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago (2 children)

anyone else think this shit is fucking weird?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago

It makes more sense when you realize that money has solved all of Donald Trump's problems in the past. Get a little too handsy with a woman? Pay her off to keep quiet. Have a business partnership or contract you want to get out of? Pay lawyers to harass them in court until they give up.

Heck, he doesn't even need to use his own money most of the time, he can spend out of one of his companies like it's a slush fund then declare bankruptcy, leaving business partners and banks with the bills.

He is now running the government like one of his privately owned companies, and using our money to try and solve his problems. Give them a pittance to go away, and when they don't, you can say "we gave them a chance" before kidnapping them.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

$5k a month, right? Right?

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (11 children)

$5k is roughly 1/4 the cost...

... of a birth.

Alone. Just, average medical costs of a birth, without insurance.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/health-insurance/how-much-does-it-cost-to-have-a-baby/

https://www.uwhealth.org/news/how-much-does-it-really-cost-have-baby

... And they are slashing Medicaid.

If you do have insurance... $5k is about half the cost of a birth.

So... congrats, you can have two kids, and then uh lol have fun paying the cost of raising two kids, which is about half a million dollars.

And that's just to 18, btw, this assumes those kids can find a job immediately after high school and move out into a place they can afford on an entry level income.

Which uh, is basically wildly unrealistic at this point.

Because all entry level jobs require 2-3 years of experience.

And housing costs are insane.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why do I have a feeling the administration would still try to find ways to not pay nonwhite families having kids?

Trump was propped up by people who believe this bogus "Great Replacement" theory and I don't think they would be willing to back down from that stance on account of a generally declining population.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

Guillotine time

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