Good for him. Unfortunately the Republicans are all vile, complicit lock-step party brownshirts, so nothing whatsoever will come of this.
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I feel like we've been here before
Surely this time we will all get the satisfaction we pray for. Surely.
We'll be here again and again if he isn't removed.
He's not getting removed.
I don't get why people aren't understanding what's happening. They are setting a precedent that they never want used back against them and are setting it up so they don't have to worry about it, and there is no real opposition party anyway. This is it, the turning point where control by the people and representation has been effectively taken away.
I don't get why people like you jump to conclusions about shit all the time. It is POSSIBLE he can be removed in several ways.. impeachment isn't likely sure, but he isn't a healthy person, he's old, he has mental health decline, and people hate him and keep trying to kill him... anything can happen.
I'm not saying don't try, I just think it's naive to expect it to do anything and screams a population who hasn't grown up seeing their nation taken over by authoritarians and fascism, something that happened many times in other places that Americans don't think could possibly impact them here because "those people were brown and dumb."
That average people still expect their "representatives" to fix things is the naive part.
Nobody is coming. If we want democracy we have to make it happen, as individuals, as people on the ground.
Congressman Shri Thanedar (MI-13)
MI-13? That's almost MS-13! Bake him away toys!
What does this mean? Michigan district 13?
Yes
Impeachment on its own I can't bring myself to care about. It needs to come with "and removal" for it to matter.
And even then that means president Vance. It would still matter because Vance is a weaker villain lacking the full undying support of the MAGA death cult but shit would still suck, just suck in a way where there would be more hope.
This is the first stage of the impeachment process, which leads to the removal you seek. This is an incredibly important step.
This process should proceed no matter who would take over the position. If an elected official wronged their constituents they must be held accountable regardless of anyone else’s current position.
Peter Theil is the Sociopathic Oligarch that holds Vance's leash, and he is far worse than Skum. Skum is stupid, and ego/attention-driven, while Theil is intelligent and strategic. Theil is one of the primary leaders in the Sociopathic Oligarch Libertarian movement, following the writings of Curtis Yarvin (Google him). One of Yarvan's most important principles is to do away with all democracies, and force nations answer to the Sociopathic Oligarchs, instead of them answering to nations. Vance is on board with this, and quotes Yarvin often.
Thing is there will never be another Trump. The cult dies with him.
There will be another, but as you imply it isn't hereditary. The next one will have to build their own following. Which may be easier with all the groundwork laid from this one.
Ah yes I remember when the Nazi movement ended with Hitler. What a sigh of relief.
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Can someone ELI5 what impeachment even achieves, and why it seemed to do nothing last time? Is it just a badge of dishonour?
Impeachment is a formal process used to formally accuse a public official, including the president, of misconduct while in office. It's a legislative action, not a court trial, and is the first step in the process of potentially removing the official from office and disqualifying them from holding future office. The House of Representatives initiates impeachment proceedings by drafting and voting on "articles of impeachment," which are essentially charges of misconduct. If enough people in the house vote to impeach, they kick it over to the senate to have a trial. It takes 2/3 or 66% of the senate to convict before he can be removed from office. The last 2 times the house was able to vote on the articles of impeachment. When it got kicked to the senate the last 2 times, there weren't enough votes to convict. This is because republican senators were more interested in protecting the republican party than they were the country. Most of us would rather lawfully remove Trump from office. The constitution is still important and many of us still believe in it. Even if it's not successful, it still has a purpose. The people that vote no on impeachment are going on public record to aid an abet his crimes, potentially opening themselves up to legal consequences once trump is gone. Also, exhausting all avenues of the law makes civil disobedience more legitimate should things get bad enough to come to that.
An impeachment conviction results in removal from office. The previous impeachment proceedings did not result in a conviction.
(Edit for additional information: While an impeachment uses terms like "trial" and "conviction" it is not a judicial proceeding. It is entirely a legislative proceeding which is formatted to resemble a judicial one, but is not bound to judicial procedure and it also can not produce a criminal conviction or sentence.)
Ah, thanks for explaining!
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While good, we all know that the House won't pass this, and if they did the Senate won't confirm it.
I've said it before elsewhere but it needs to be heard...
It's just wild to me continually seeing posts not understanding how this all works, and how it would play out. It's like the people who thought China paid the tariffs...
The house is almost tied. That's who passes bills, handles impeachments, some of the most powerful committees are, and who impeaches Presidents...
218 Republicans, 213 Democrats.
Let's see, take New York for example.
26 representatives total, 19 Democrat and 7 Republican.
5 of those were within 2 points last time their seat was up.
People who think that New York is blue, their vote doesn't matter, skips the votes for the House and Senate and end up losing a Blue house seat but later complain that nothing changes are literally the fucking problem.
Every. Fucking. State. Is. Like. This.
Apathetic morons who don't realize that the president is only held accountable by the other branch of government then wave their hands around when they did jack shit to help put people in place to, are the fucking problem.
District 3 of California was lost by 24,000 votes. District 22 was lost by 3,000.
Those two seats in the house, along with the close ones in New York, Jersey, Michigan, Illinois, Washington, hell every state... Are what makes the House of Representatives or breaks it.
So, if you think that your vote for president doesn't matter, so you skip voting and let these other seats slip, yes, you're a fucking moron who can't grasp basic concepts of government that are taught in 4th grade.
And don't get me started on the State House/Senates, how they define voting laws and voting zones and engage in gerrymandering.
Every fucking vote counts.
And until the country realizes it, and starts acting on it, we'll keep getting the shit we deserve.
House needs a simple majority, and two thirds of the Senate.
Democrats would need ~18 seats.
First, that won't happen in 2026.
Even the best cases make it hard to win enough by 2028. Which is why impeachment is just not something we can hold out for.
Gerrymandering is part of why this is a problem, which is done at the local level, and again why every vote counts.
How could it play out? Assuming some absurdly weird upside down world just opposite of what we're living in, this is the only path just looking at the numbers...
Again, Democrats would need to gain 18 net seats. Seats Potentially in Play (Republican Incumbents): This requires looking at seats up in upcoming cycles.
- Class 1 Seats (Up in 2026):
- Highly Competitive Targets: These would be the first priority. States where Democrats have won statewide recently or that lean only slightly Republican. Examples based on recent political history might include:
- North Carolina (Budd-R)
- Alaska (Sullivan-R) - Unique dynamics with ranked-choice voting.
- Stretch Targets: States that are more Republican but could potentially flip under exceptionally favorable conditions (like the hypothetical turnout).
- Iowa (Ernst-R)
- Montana (Daines-R) - Depends heavily on candidate matchups.
- Kentucky (McConnell-R's seat - potential retirement changes dynamics)
- Kansas (Marshall-R)
- South Carolina (Graham-R)
- Very Difficult Targets: Solidly Republican states requiring overwhelming Democratic turnout and significant shifts among other voters.
- Texas (Cornyn-R)
- Mississippi (Wicker-R)
- Alabama (Tuberville-R)
- West Virginia (Capito-R)
- Oklahoma (Mullin-R - Special election winner)
- Wyoming (Lummis-R)
- Idaho (Risch-R)
- Arkansas (Cotton-R)
- Nebraska (Ricketts-R)
- South Dakota (Rounds-R)
- Louisiana (Cassidy-R) - Jungle primary system.
- Highly Competitive Targets: These would be the first priority. States where Democrats have won statewide recently or that lean only slightly Republican. Examples based on recent political history might include:
- Class 2 Seats (Up in 2028): (Looking further ahead)
- Highly Competitive Targets:
- Maine (Collins-R) - Often competitive, depends on matchup.
- Georgia (Perdue/Ossoff dynamic showed competitiveness, depends who holds it after '26 potentially) - Assuming GOP holds a seat here.
- Stretch Targets:
- Michigan (Peters-D currently, but listing potential GOP flips back if one happened hypothetically before 2028) - Generally leans D, but could be contested.
- New Hampshire (Shaheen-D currently) - Generally leans D, but listing potential GOP flips back.
- Very Difficult Targets: (Many solidly Republican states)
- Tennessee (Hagerty-R)
- Alaska (Murkowski-R historically, depends on dynamics)
- North Carolina (Tillis-R)
- Iowa (Grassley-R seat potentially)
- Texas (Cruz-R)
- Kentucky (Paul-R)
- And many others similar to the 2026 list (SC, AL, MS, WY, ID, NE, SD, KS, WV, OK).
- Highly Competitive Targets:
It's going to take an absolutely historic level of pain to both drive enough people to vote MAGA out to make this change though.
The amount that's being excused, sanewashed, and just drowned out with other absurdities...
We're on all on this shit ride until some new wildcard comes into play.
No impeachment, no Supreme Court, no guardrail is going to change that.
Something new and unaccounted for is the only feasible catalyst.
The amount that’s being excused, sanewashed, and just drowned out with other absurdities…
This is why articles of impeachment need to be introduced anyway. They need to do it every fucking day if they have to, every time it's voted down. it's not like the House or the Senate is voting on something better. They're voting on something worse.
It needs to keep being said that there is no sanity and there are no excuses and that something has gone fundamentally wrong.
We need mass protests to make sure they confirm this. Including outside the homes of those who refuse to.
Yes. People need to get out and fucking vote. Anything less than 80% participation in a presidential election is shameful.
But you need to do some background I think. California 22 might be "only" 3k, but it was 53%-47% in 2024. It's also voted Republican since 2002 (1) The real headfuck about CA-22 is how it's 73% Hispanic and reliably red.
Same shit with CA-3. "Only 24,000 votes" - they won that district by ten bloody points 55%-45%. There were 400,000 votes in the district. Thought it's a little more purple. (2)
Also, your numbers are off compared to wiki. Not sure where the discrepancy is but CA-22 and CA-3 were lost by 11,000 and 46,000 respectively.
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I've never done this before but it's actually time to call my congressman.
The totally free, and ad free, app called "5 Calls" will help you with that. It provides you their phone number, and a script. You can setup reminders to call daily, weekly, or I suppose monthly.
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Good. Now everyone needs to call, email, or visit with their reps to get this passed - assuming they can force a vote. It will only take 4 republicans crossing the aisle in the house to impeach him yet again. Then we need to hound our Senators to get a conviction. That will be the hardest part because it'll take about 20 republicans to join all the democrats and independents to convict him.
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Hmm we're preparing for 8 impeachments this term.
It'll be a new tradition, every year we impeach the man and every year it produces no real change.
It'll show someone tried, I guess. Unfortunately, the time fascism could have been defeated from within the system is long passed.
Good luck with that while democrats control zero branches of gubment.
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Good. They should keep doing this for everything he does illegally.
Even if it won't amount to anything, we're getting Republicans on the record as saying they support Trump.
Makes it tough for the inevitable "I didn't side with Trump" statements we'll hear when he is finally gone.
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