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[-] [email protected] 70 points 1 month ago

Of course they will. Liberalism is a center-right ideology, they're closer to fascists than leftists.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

It's just a way to get minorities to vote for you.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Their good old performative "Fight for Equality" which very pointedly ignores Wealth Inequality and Wealth Discrimination which curiously, are not only the biggest of them all by a huge margin, but are even the mechanisms that multiply many-fold the negative consequences (and hence the hurt) from other kinds of inequality and discrimination, AND stop the descendants of the victims of past discrimination from pulling themselves out from the hole past discrimination threw their ancestors into (in simple terms: if you were thrown into poverty by discrimination, the poverty keeps the hurt going even after the discriminatory actions have stopped and will make it very likely your descendants are stuck there and keep on suffering).

They're literaly doing the very minimum (when measured by actual effects) they can for Equality whilst claiming they're "Fighting for Equality" as loud as they can, in order to claim they're "helping the disfavored" and hence are there for the many not the few.

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[-] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago

Democrats would rather lose their power "temporarily" than lose their influence permanently with a progressive.

We need a third party like four months ago. We are running out of time to challenge the standing democrats.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

We already have multiple.

inb4 Russia: liberals will say that about any new party, too

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[-] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

If you don't like trump and you didn't vote, then you're to blame.

My country has compulsory voting so nobody has an excuse

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[-] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Did you listen to the latest tiff between David Hogg and James Carville?

Carville really wants to push progressives out of the Democratic party while keeping their heads in the sand. I think his last rant was because Hogg wants to replace existing Dems (Carville says he should be replacing Republicans). However, I think Hogg wants to do this because these Dems aren't really doing anything and waiting to pick up the pieces from this Trump administration. I think agree more with Hogg that it's more important to show the people that you represent them rather than be like: "we're not the Republicans".

I'm not an entire fan of Hogg though, he seems a bit inconsistent but I agree with him here.

To be clear, people should have voted for the Democrats. We're all in the position we're in because not enough people did. Would you get what you want? No. But we still wouldn't be in the mess otherwise. I mean, assuming the election wasn't stolen.

That being said, all these older people that don't seem interested in fighting for their people need to be purged from the Democrats. I don't know if it's because they're really old or out of touch or what. There's a thirst for people to want representation for them to fight (as seen by the AOC and Bernie rallies). I think their inactivity isn't helping for the most part. Also, they need to get some more names out there.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I've been low-key following this drama and Hogg is out there spearheading the "tea party style takeover" that people have been saying the DNC needs. Carville, Schumer, and Co. seem to think that letting the republicans off the leash to blow up everything and hurt everyone is the best path forward. Put another way, the plan is to continue offering shitty corpocentrism and hope that voters prefer corpocentrism (clothed fascism) over naked fascism again in two and four years. Fuck that and fuck them, Hogg can take my energy and blast those fossilized assholes with a spirit bomb.

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[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

Okay but the point is they should've been able to run a wet paper bag against Trump and win.

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

and conspire to defeat whatever progressive is winning, even though they’ll be the only one that can defeat trump’s third term

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

We have two corporate parties, the status quo and the controlled opposition. They occasionally switch labels but until we get the corporate out, we will never have a real choice.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

It'll be Shapiro or Blinken. Its still all about the $$ at the DNC. Nothing else matters.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

AOC is a clear choice, I'd say Bernie but I'm already tired of old people in power.

AOC is young, in touch with actual issues, in touch with the generations that are moving the economy, knows the struggle since she used to be a waitress and so far I haven't seen her go crazy on anyone else's agenda or buying stocks and enriching herself beyond measure like damn old hag Pelosi.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

If Josh Shapiro wins the nomination I will not vote for him, I cannot stand this nonsense, this is absolute insanity. How the hell are modern Democrats less progressive than FDR (and he was a massive racist), we are a century ahead yet we are centuries behind. Now we're fighting over which fascist is more palatable so when can whitewash them and call them progressive. I voted for Kamala in 2024 but NOT AGAIN, I will NOT vote for another mild flavor of fascism lite.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

I still feel like the dnc is going to lean heavy into Buttigieg. He's young, an eloquent speaker, a sharp debater. He clearly is down to play ball with the dnc establishment as they want him to (stepped aside for Biden to get a cabinet position) , and they hope that he's baggage free enough (Kamala and her Marijuana prosecutions) that progressives will vote for him. Yes, he's gay, and the hardcore magats won't like that, but I think older suburban voters would rather have someone sane that's gay than insane and straight.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Then it will be 2016 all over again

Leftist leadership or the status quo are the options

And only the rich want the status quo anymore

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

This whole discussion has been a fascinating read in the comments.

But does anyone really think we're going to have another election? Much less a non-rigged election?

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Yes, let's get preemptively angry at those not currently in power for something we assume they'll do!

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Really, how do we get viable third parties? How do we change the voting system to not have " spoiler candidates "? The binary is rotting us.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

You go out and work in the primaries.

Look at AOC. The guy she ousted was a mainstay of the NY Democratic Party for decades.

If you wait until the general election you get no input.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

how do we get viable third parties?

By having a third party that's willing to put in the work and do things the right way.

So, instead of having a do-nothing candidate like Jill Stein who shows up right before every election, then disappears again after only obtaining a half of a single percent of the total votes, we'd have to have a third party that started focusing on winning local/state elections. That would allow them to start having more than ZERO members in the houses of Congress, which is currently the case. And once they have members in Congress, from various districts around the country, then they'd have a real chance at running a presidential candidate who can win.

Make no mistake. Anyone that currently votes for a 3rd party candidate for president is an utter fool. And there are A LOT of them on Lemmy. A 3rd party cannot win. They are nowhere near winning. Because they haven't put in the work to create a coalition to actually start having a presence in our government.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Don’t neglect that Stein was a Russian plant to spoil the election. Follow the money and Stein’s activities pre and post election.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

A lot more people than the DNC are blaming people for not voting Democrat & sticking us with this shithole administration. It was a huge no-brainer.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Yes AOC #2, but Kamala...

Writing was on the wall here. Need to get rid of the dinosaurs to have any chance at all.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

But people are stupid and they DID vote wrong. They had a choice and they chose wrong.

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