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Dr. Lisa Anderson, 58, was born in Pennsylvania and is a U.S. citizen.

A doctor born in the United States says she received an email from federal immigration authorities demanding that she leave the country immediately.

Lisa Anderson, a physician from Cromwell, Connecticut, told NBC Connecticut on Wednesday that she recently received a letter from the Department of Homeland Security telling her, “It is time for you to leave the United States."

Immigration authorities have been pushing noncitizens to leave of their own volition, or “self-deport,” as the number of deportations remains at similar levels to last year.

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Everybody is assuming that this is the result of this administration's virtuosic incompetence, but it is equally possible that these people have been specifically targeted. The last one was an immigration attorney, so that seemed to indicate they were harrassing someone who was opposing them. I wonder if they have some bizarre reason to target this woman.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Conceivably it is both. There's a Dr. Lisa Anderson on a list somewhere for some reason and the admin simply does not care if they sent the letter to the right person.

Similarly, when the ICE agents kick down her door, they won't care if she's the right person either.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 days ago (4 children)

"Fuck it, take her anyway."

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago

Admitting to a mistake weakens their idea of authority. Authority, any authority, will do anything before they admit to a mistake. If you've ever put at a disadvantage because of an authority's mistake, you know how it goes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's essentially a real quote:

"No, he's not the one," one ICE agent reportedly said.

"Take him anyway," the other replied.

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[–] [email protected] 130 points 6 days ago (4 children)

The underlying unsaid context: "White American with White Name who never has been outside the country told to self-deport". Yes, WHITE AMERICA it could happen to YOU!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 days ago (12 children)

White people have never been exempt. One of my few criticisms of the BLM movement was that they should have been more inclusive.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If I received a message like this, I would buy a plane ticket to a safe country and would apply for asylum immediately, and I would use the letter as a basis for the asylum application. It seems like a really strong basis for the application.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Define safe here, the only places I can think are Australia or New Zealand. The rest of the world is heavily messed up and falling head over hills for right wing sirens.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (11 children)

Australian here, we aren't always fantastic either. NZ seems good, but they've had some weird shit going on from time to time as well. I'd probably go with them though.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 6 days ago (2 children)

What's as bizarre as anything else about this is that they are sending these to people via email. Like she says, most people will just think it's spam. What official US government organization has ever before sent official legal stuff via email? None. Until now.

The idea that if you don't see an email threatening to arrest or deport you, because it was filtered as spam or looks like spam or was sent to an old email you don't even use anymore or any number of things related to email being an unreliable way to contact someone, is scary.

I also read somewhere that some govt agency (don't recall which, I think it was a health agency?) would now be posting all official notices on X instead of on their own official website!!!

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It sets up a situation where anyone could misrepresent the government and send these types of emails out to harass people.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago

Pretty sure that's the point

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I also read somewhere that some govt agency (don't recall which, I think it was a health agency?)

Social Security Administration

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Why would you do the via email and not an official letter? People see it as spam or it might be the wrong email adres. Fucking amateurs.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Because none of the people in charge know what they are doing.

There is one good thing about this, if email is now official means of primary government communication, that means it's a guaranteed right that has to be provided for free.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

are you out of your mind? the only official channel of government communication is twitter (x)!

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

Of course sending this letter to an American citizen in the first place is bad to begin with.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Chances are those idiots are just using a shitty LLM to parse through folders of documents and extract names, then templatize them into a form email without any validation. She could have been listed as a physician for some other person and her name showed up on some random medical document and the dumb system grabber her that way.

They're too dumb to even comprehend what they are doing, they're using AI like it's canon all over the place.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 days ago (5 children)

This is actually great.

I mean, I know this is going to be a cynical take, but I have nothing left but cynicism towards my country.

If the administration starts persecuting white Americans, that's far more likely to rile up middle-class, liberal America than if people with "exotic" names like 'Garcia" get deported. It sucks but it's true, our country is built on a foundation of mildly xenophobic middle-class liberals who don't really care what happens politically until they feel personally threatened, and at this point I really, really want them to feel the danger so there's some chance of recovering this tragic slide back into the fucking dark-ages.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago

The ones to Us Citizens were meant for next month... Opps

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 days ago

It is time for you to leave the United States.

Well, considering the political climate I can't really argue with that.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago

This is what? 3rd or 4th time we've heard about this happening? Crazy.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

thats why scientists and MDs are the first to flee a dictatorship before shit hits the fan, and people were complaining they should stay and fight. they dint go to school and act like country bumpkins.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Time to muddy the waters. Everyone who is an immigrant (legal or illegal) when asked for an email address, find an email address of an executive at a large corporation and use that.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The last two I read weren't immigrants, they are born in the U.S. with social security numbers and birth certificates. Well I'm assuming this one has those, being that she's born and is a doctor here. Practicing doctors require background checks

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I have an idea

But I'm not sure yet whether a government telling a citizen to GTFO NAO is enough persecution and threat to warrant giving refug--- doctor, you say? Let's show you to some housing for while you sit the re-cert exam.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Another one?

Must be a "coincidence"

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

If a non-personal email — such as an American citizen contact — was provided by the alien, notices may have been sent to unintended recipients, It does make me concerned there’re a lot more people out there like me who probably also thought this was spam, who probably didn’t realize, ‘I have a problem,’

Having a mistake in this situation makes it less clear whether other messages are legitimate or not, so we might see more cases like those described around https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-people-receiving-racist-text-012451742.html

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