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[–] [email protected] 16 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Oppressors have been using the ‘Amalek’ excuse for nearly one millennium. Functionally it is more or less identical to the excuse that Jews or even Muslims are the descendants of J.C.’s tormentors and therefore violence against them is justified.

If you think that the Bible is telling you to massacre unarmed people, it isn’t a G-d problem. It’s a you problem. There is no good reason to believe that Palestinians descend from Amalek (assuming that he was real, which I doubt), and Judaists are not required to believe that they had to embark on an extermination campaign aimed at him anyway.

Now, let there by no illusions: cleaning out toxic theology never undoes all of the damage that it justified, nor does it always make all of the victims feel better (and not solely because some reinterpretations are based on wishful thinking either), but the point here is that we must never let our oppressors distractingly fool us into thinking that theology is the cause of oppression. Such toxic theology is not going to prevent Jews of conscience from donating or offering anything else that they have to their Palestinian siblings.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

I hate these rabid ethnonationalist quasi-zealots but I hate the Western liberal "democracies" and their institutions who enable them in the first place so, so much more. They will parrot their utopic aspiration of a law-abiding community of secular democratic states prizing the value of individual rights above "the nation" only to then read shit like "The Bible offers three modalities for a religiously mandated war" and entertain it. Blood-and-soil "nation-building" ramblings with religious justification were bad when the Serbs were the ones spewing them but are perfectly valid for the only democracy in the middle east.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

“Sure I hate the Nazis for directly genociding peoples, but I hate IBM so much more because they traded with them”

Feel like your priorities are in the wrong. Hypocrites suck, but the actual genociders are far worse.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

By the time of the second world war's start, Germany had effectively been able to secure its own autarky (war loot and occupied territories factored in) and wage war independently of Western support for a good few years, though it certainly accepted outside help in some regards (like IBM, as you mentioned). Even before, while it certainly did help, Germany didn't need material and diplomatic support from the Western Allies to incorporate Austria and Czechoslovakia (thereby giving them the industry to support themselves), only their inaction.

By contrast, Israel's existence while at war is entirely predicated on Western support. Without it, it would need to mobilize its entire infrastructure, population and industry towards war, which would absolutely kill it as a viable project within a matter of years. The genocide in Gaza and displacement in West Bank and East Jerusalem is effectively as much of a Western undertaking as it is an Israeli one. It's the same beast with two different faces.

I don't mean to belittle the evil of mask-off Zionism or fascism, just that its soulless liberal PR team which gaslights all while making a mockery of the very concept of internationalism gets under my skin more often.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 14 hours ago

Israel is a satellite of the United States. Israel's genocide in Gaza would not be possible without the weapons, money, intelligence, technology, diplomatic cover, and air/navy support operations of the United States. They are flying US planes, dropping US bombs, being protected in significant part by US air defense tech, while US carrier groups bomb anyone in the area trying to stop it. The genocide is effectively US policy, and everyone responsible deserves to hang. It goes well beyond petty war profiteering.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago

Nazis could have directly genocided people without IBM's material support.

Israel could not directly genocide people without the support of the West.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Written by people that didn't know where the sun went at night. Excellent reference material if you want to die from measles.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 15 hours ago

The left hasbara doesn’t know what the right hasbara is doing

[–] [email protected] 18 points 15 hours ago

Amalek? The people that lived in modern day levant? I thought all Palestinians came from yemen! Israhell cant even do propaganda anymore.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 15 hours ago

Using the bible to justify atrocities shocked-pikachu How could someone use the words of an all loving, perfect god to justify evil?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago

I mean he did literally use genocide as the middle example

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

Which one was this?

The zealot lady?

The one who loves beer?

The one bush put in that's supposed to be a moderate?

Squee? Topher?

The one who's taking all the bribes from the Nazi memorabilia "collector"?

Or did you mean like the supreme Court of Israel? Cause then there's the two you could choose from and my original questions remain.