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Tangent: when looking up Mamoru Oshii I found an interview where he compared the work culture at Studio Ghibli to a communist dictatorship ("communism is when capitalism"), because people of the 1960s "Anpo generation" (like Miyazaki) have "no morals" when they believe their cause is just...
I'm inclined to think the pro AI fucks are trying to smear Miyazaki
Yeah this 100% feels like an op by crypto dorks to slander him so they can keep using his style for their fash art.
Oh, 1,000% ever since this Ghibli AI thing, I've been seeing tons of bizarre attempts to smear Miyazaki.
This is literally hearsay. Miyazaki might or might not be a pedophile, but there needs to be better evidence to say that he is.
if you are also a preteen or early teenager it's probably fine to fall in love with a girl your age
it sounds like it was before he had his first real job
sounds like bs from AI tech bros. the man has his flaws, but being a pedo is not one of them.
{一二|じゅうに}{歳|さい}の{女|おんな}の{子|こ}と{恋愛|れんあい}してどこが{悪|わる}い
{Juuni|twelve}-{sai|years_old} {no|GEN} {onnanoko|girl} {to|with} {ren'ai|love} {shite|do.CONJ} {doko|where} {ga|SUBJ} {warui|bad}
"What's wrong with falling in love with a 12-year-old girl?"
Great, now I'm thinking about that Boyzvoice song... Also, I find it interesting that the quote represents the number twelve with positional Kanji numerals. I wonder how marked that is?
That aside, trying to look into this I also found this quote attributed to Miyazaki, speaking about Chihiro's VA during a live broadcast promoting Spirited Away:
{柊|ひいらぎ}さんが{１３|じゅうさん}{歳|さい}ですけど、そのぐらいのガールフレンドが{何人|なんにん}かおりまして
Hiiragi-{san|HON} {ga|SUBJ} {juusan|thirteen}-{sai|years_old} {desu|is} {kedo|CONTEXT}, {sono|ANA.GEN} {gurai|approximately} {no|GEN} {gaarufurendo|girlfriend} {ga|SUBJ} {nanninka|several_people} {orimashite|to_exist.POLITE.CONJ}
"Hiiragi-san is 13 years old; I've had a few girlfriends around that age."
The screencap of the broadcast with subtitles (side note: I wonder how live stenography works in Japanese...) has apparently been circulating the Japanese Internet for 14 years already, but I'm having a hard time finding the broadcast itself, and in any case both these quotes don't really have much context to go off of. Really, I want to say that my general rule for anyone famous and successful is to prepare for the worst but assert very little, because at the end of the day these are human beings who you don't know and likely never will know.
When it comes to accusations of pedophilia specifically, the accusation should be looked at holistically in context: What would the significance be, of this person being a pedophile? What even is pedophilia, for that matter, given criticism of the institution of sexology? And in Miyazaki's case, my impression from a few searches is that accusations of him being aaiu have been utilized by pedo anime fans to legitimize their own behaviors, because Miyazaki being a pedo would mean that possibly the most internationally famous figure in the anime industry is "one of them"; and naturally, it seems like these pedo anime fans will do this no matter how true the accusation really is, because they stand to gain from it no matter what; likewise anyone who'd stand to gain from smearing Miyazaki's reputation, such as "AI" bros as mentioned in another comment.
Were you able to look into the book that got cited? The screenshot about falling in love with Bai-Niang says that it was when Miyazaki was in high school, so we can ignore that one. The documentary quote sounds in the same vein as that to me: that in high school he had girlfriends of that age. There could have still been a problematic age gap there, though, but who knows.
My biggest question was what kind of love we are talking about here, to me it sounded more like platonic or one-sided romantic love rather than outright sexual, but it is just vibes talking here.
Sidenote: I find it weird how much weight is given to the verb "love" sometimes: it gets used very loosely when you say you love spaghetti or your family, but suddenly when you say it to a close friend everyone makes a big deal out of it. My aroace ahh is showing here lol
I didn't look into the book, but what I can say is that {恋愛|れんあい} ren'ai implies romantic love.
The book is apparently written by the same Mamoru "Studio Ghibli is like the Kremlin" Oshii, who is most well-known as the creater of Ghost in the Shell.
From that same interview I found, I didn't get the impression however that he would just make shit up about him and try to ruin his career, he said it would be a loss if Miyazaki (and another Ghibli figure) stopped making films. The book itself, going by reviews, seems to be even-handed about his short experiences at Ghibli.
Screenshot is from here, which itself is part of the longer documentary スタジオジブリ物語
Thank you!
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
fair or not, that is usually my assumption about people who are really into anime... the people i know that have been really into it have always had that pedo penchant
well now you're just strange
Probably not.
I have always wondered why studio Ghibli characters are always like falling in love at such a young age. One in particular was this boy and girl talking about marriage in middle school. That shit is unhealthy.
I remember some of us kids talking about marriage in elementary school. We didn't super understand it yet, but still 🤷
I remember my teacher being disgusted at kids talking about sex in the later years of primary school — she thought it was the end of the world, I swear, she literally sounded like she was "coming down with a case of the vapors!" But the truth is, naturally, that when adulthood is treated as prestigious, that every signifier of it becomes prestigious in turn, and claiming those prestigious things then serves as a way for kids to "rebel" against the norms forced upon them — except really, this "rebellion" in practice just means "growing up faster", namely having kids' childhood or youth stolen from them, such that the value of their labor can be stolen more efficiently in turn. That's how I understand it, at least.
This slander against whisper of the heart will not stand.
It's really cute and like, obviously heart on the sleeve to think that love that could last a lifetime could start in middle school. As adults does it at time come off as a little cloying? Sure.
Doesn't mean that something earnest and heartfelt like that (especially when the main plot is how to write a book or become an apprentice violin craftsman, and the struggle of artistic production/virtuosity) is instantly "unhealthy". Especially because the main audience is still kids, even if there's themes that are for audiences of all ages.
Also I'm sure you can read the story as doomed if you want as well (will she really wait for him, etc). It ends when they part ways, after all.
You never had a crush on someone as a kid and immediately jumped to thinking about your happily ever after life? It's not uncommon, mostly due to how kids just haven't been on this plane for all that long.
I had a crush on a girl when I was 7 years old. If anything it would be weird for kids not to talk about such things.