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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We're the only people who have to worry about having a conscience and morals.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

Guns. The answer is guns, Lrrr.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Mostly because our ability to organize and unify against the wealthy is overwhelmed by the wealthy's tools to keep us factioned and distrustful of each other. Hence the necessity of the fascist enemy within rhetoric.

The problem is, we humans are simple emotional beings who are really credulous when it comes to being told stuff we want to hear, and the wealthy have crafted messaging catering to this bias and wishful thinking (hence "you are the chosen people and have to massacre all the others who are spiritual flesh-eating zombies")

That sounds way cooler to the lumpen-proletariat than "you're just another commoner, but if we work together we can topple the people who hoard all the stuff and make a fun themepark for everyone!"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

ngl I'd turn against my fellow man if I, exclusively, was offered a couple mil untaxed income instantly from a billionaire

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

You're not alone. Karel Čurda turned in Jozef Gabčík and Jan Kubiš for assassinating Reinhard Heydrich (The naziest nazi of all the nazis, also the chief implementer of the Holocaust. Also the only assassination effort implemented by the Allies). Čurda got the reward of one million Reichmarks for betraying his own sabotage team.

Čurda would then be hanged for high treason in 1947.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

make sure you get paid up front, dude. these people do not keep their promises. money is also a promise. don't trust that shit either. the moment you outlive your usefulness; you're out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In my workplace filled with engineers there was a good ammount of trust for management for years, our director was considered to be a cool, unrestanding guy. It toppled in an instant when a new CEO decided to implement new set of much stricter rules that made everyone realise they are indeed members of working class and not the mythical middle class. It doesn't change much that your tool is a computer and not a greasy, dirty and smelly machine and your job requires a degree, if you work for a private enterprise your work and life is not worth more than an imaginary number representing a market value of the company. From my perspective it's funny to see how belief in meritocracy falls after years of being made fun of for mocking it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

it's equal parts frustrating and satisfying. a lifetime of cassandra, and no recognition when I finally get to scream "I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO!" at the top of my lungs about everything, because still nobody wants to fix it and I've got nothing better to do.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago

I so fucking love this so, so much

[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Their meat is oily and diseased?

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You could also end up getting brain worms that way.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And you would probably get high on ketamine from consuming it as well.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Look at history. You need a tipping point, but more importantly, you need organised masses and a vision/visionary to get behind.

That's how Lenin got in power. It's how the French decapitated their king. That's why there was a rally at the White house when trump lost the previous election but nobody is doing anything against him now at the states while he dismantles the country.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Correct, but there is a lot of nuance.

Indeed, when things get bad, the public is willing to take risks. When everything is good enough, they don't revolt.

However, successful revolts do require intelligent and capable leaders.

What the rich have realized, is that if they ensure smart and skilled kids get picked out of the drudgery and get comfortable working for the rich, then the exploited class will not really have anyone to lead them.

Put another way, in 1908, every factory had a few leaders working at the lowest levels. And they are the ones who spearheaded strikes and such.

Nowadays, society is really stratified in terms of skill.

Anyone who grew up poor, but had talent to organize, probably ended up in some kind of middle management or professional job and makes 2x the average.

Convincing these people to have class solidarity is difficult. Only a few of them actually see the bigger. Those tend to become middle or upper management or politicians, making 3-5x the average workers salary. And of those, only a very select few are willing to fight for the common man.

So yeah, the rich engineered a system that they can control. To actually change anything is going to be very difficult.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is a great point that I haven’t heard before, and it seems intuitively correct. Considering overall economic mobility has gotten worse over the decades, I suppose one way you could validate this is by looking at the stats for economic mobility differentiated by… academic success? Measured IQ? Skill acquisition? None of those are good isolated indicators but maybe there’s a good measure where you can say “economic mobility increased for skilled people over time, but decreased for less-skilled people over the same time period.”

This is not a criticism of your point, by the way. I think you’re right. Just wondering exactly how right.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (19 children)

You say the larger of the two, but the majority of the USA voted for fascism and an absurd number of people just stayed home. It's hard to grow a resistance when you simultaneously believe the simple folk are getting exactly what they deserve and asked for.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

oh my god im sick of this 'the democratic party cannot fail, only be failed' bullshit. I remember the 2000 election, where these chucklefucks, the same leadership we had in 2024, literally the same people in charge, handed over a presidency that they won because the fascists threw a fit. my life was largely defined by the consequences of the democratic party's abdication to fascists that election. I cannot forgive them for that, if nothing else.

and I'm not confident, given some of the comments musk's son has let slip and the years of always-confessional fascist whinging about election interference, that people DIDN'T properly vote for the absolute piece of shit the dems tried to run, again. that americans weren't just that cucked.

the fact they were willing to ratfuck the candidates the american people wanted, time and time again, since god damn world war two, suggests that these assholes are more willing to risk fascism by putting incompetent figureheads in charge than deal with moderate center left reformers-from henry wallace to bernard sanders-suggests they would not have fought for us, just like they didn't really fight for us from 2020-2024. these were not our people in washington, and expecting our slavish devotion was insulting when they gave us nothing in return, largely letting the fascists run free. maybe, if donald trump was such a threat, and he was, and open fascism was such a huge fucking deal, which it is, they should have run somebody with at better chance of winning an election, nodded to things that energized americans, or played hard ball during the campaign?

I do remember the campaign, by the way. I have the curse of all lefties everywhere; I can remember thirty or more seconds into the past. I remember them pulling back on winning strategies like 'hey these guys are weird deranged little freaks' and 'this fascism thing doesn't sound very nice' because presumably they were more concerned with their ability to be weird little freaks once they took charge, and their ability to do fascism-lite once they were in charge, than with making sure the real thing didn't happen. and maybe that's why they didn't lock trump up when they had control. maybe that's why they didn't cover the white house lawn in gallows on january7. maybe that's why they wouldn't have fought an election result like 2000, if it had occurred, and let the fascists just have the win if it came to that. again. they certainly didn't contest a very very shady election.

cut the shit. the democratic party is done. it's over. they will not resist, because they don't want to, because they would rather side with fascists than the most mild social reformers, the most mild corporate regulator not-quite-communists, the most mild prison abolitionist not-quite-anarchists. they were never going to resist.

move the fuck on. do something real rather than spending your time trying to blame the failures of your duplicitous masters on the people you think should be your natural allies. they didn't even fail to stand up for us; they never tried, and your defense of the democratic party is genuinely offensive. maybe try joining us. go outside, cook some food for your community, talk to people, start a gun club.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

We have 2 options.

Make things better or make things worse.

It's really that simple, guy.

And btw, the DNC held primaries every election. 2024, 2020, 2016. Among the candidates in 2016 and 2020 were Bernie Sanders, who consistently lost. I think more people should participate in primaries, but it's a false claim to say they "ratfucked candidates" that people wanted. People chose Biden. People chose Clinton.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

No, Bernie got done dirty in the primary process each time, super delegates, getting people like Buttigieg to drop out for promises of favors - but it’s convenient there wasn’t a primary in 2024 so they could just pick someone else for you openly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

See, there's serious doubt for me in both cases that Biden and Clinton were really the people's choice because the party either overtly or quietly kept their thumb on the scale. I can't find the article anymore, but whoever took over after Debbie Schultz basically found that the HRC campaign was effectively in charge of the DNC during the 2016 primary. I don't know about you, but I don't consider that a level playing field at all. Then, in '20, I found it really, really sketchy how Biden won what, two, three states? And all the other candidates with one or two wins suddenly pulled out and pledged all of their delegates for Biden basically at the same time. Could've been that Biden was really that cool, but I've always had doubts about that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It wasn't exactly a close race. You'd be accusing the DNC of fabricating Millions of ballots. On Super Tuesday, Biden swept races across the nation, a lot more than one or two.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, no, not of fabricating ballots. I said I think they had a thumb on the scales, that neither race was fair, not that the votes were fake. So, it's more like I'm accusing them of giving their candidate of choice significant advantages over the others, which is not something you could call a fair race.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

TBH they didn't even need to include third parties on their ballots from the start. They had all the power in the world to Exclude Bernie. If they were that opposed then why would they even risk it?

Unfair primaries are the onion, and too damn many people took a bite.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nah, miss me with that shit. The way super delegates were set up in the '16 primary was total crap, I remember that the media had basically called it for Hillary on almost day 1 of the primary season because every superdelegate announced (before their state primary!) that they were going for Hillary. I think that the HRC campaign really thought they were going to fold in all of the Bernie voters' votes, money, and energy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Delegation process aside, millions more people still chose the winners.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, I don't put too much stock in that because there's a bandwagon effect to voting. If people perceived that Hillary or Biden is already the winner, as the media portrayed, then folks are more likely to vote for them. I think a fair election would have seen 2020's primary looking much more like the 2016 Republican primary, where it was hardly a foregone conclusion that Trump would win.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In 2016 the four elections before super Tuesday. One had Bernie win New Hampshire with 60% for 15 delegates and Hillary 9 delegates, the other three went to Hillary with 49%, 52%, and 73% for a total of 82 to Bernie's 50.

After Super Tuesday where Hillary won 8 of the 11 states she had a lead 197 delegates and in the middle of march won another 8 out of 12 states for a lead of 320 delegates. In late march Bernie saw a small comeback of 7 state victory and the overseas democrats out of 9 contests.

From April through June Hillary had won 14 contests out of 20, including Puerte Rico, DC, and Guam as well as 11 more states.

At this point HRC had 16,914,722 votes and 2,842 delegates to Bernie Sander's 13,206,428 votes and 1,820 delegates. It was a long, drawn out primary race with a very clear winner by millions of votes.

So why do people keep spreading the lie that it was rigged? Because they don't want Democrats to win. They want us to get mad at our own party and splinter into smaller factions.

I think we should have listened to Bernie: and voted for Hillary Clinton.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I did vote for Hillary, for all the good it did.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (9 children)

people chose

technically true; dem elite ghouls are people.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure the majority voted for Trump considering all the election interference and Elon Musk's fuckery.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Yes, there is a strong case that voter suppression won him the race in 2016 and 2024

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

Voting stupidly doesn't turn a working class person into an owner class person. We still outnumber them, it's just that most of us have been tricked.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The same people who have historically bankrolled and controlled Republicans also run the Democrats. It's kinda hard to "fight the system" when the oligarchs are the system.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Then you would agree we should remove money from politics and...

Oh! Whats this? The DNC passed campaign finance limits in 2002 which were overturned by the conservative SCOTUS in 2010 "Citizens United" decision? Huh, wow, thats crazy. Have any Dems talked about this recently? All of them? All the time? Neat.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I'm vegan - I compost the rich.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Vegans like you make me interested in veganism. The diet seems to have some beneficial effect on the sense of humor.

TL; DR I laughed my a** off, thank you!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Happy to be inspiring :)

TL; DR you just made my day :*

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Because eating the rich will accomplish nothing if you don't also change the underlying system that created them in the first place. And good luck getting everyone in the non-rich class to agree on what that change should look like.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The 2% inflation target that excludes all investments you mean, so that we must consume more every year otherwise interest rates collapse and we gush out money like a sprinkler, as the rich load up on debt to short cash with their ever inflating collateral while gold and houses rise 10% a year.

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