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Several countries have taken significant measures to try to encourage people to have more children and combat falling birth rates, but the U.S. is not one of them. Although the Department of Transportation was recently directed to give precedence to "communities with marriage and birth rates higher than the national average," earlier this month.

Now Musk, who President Donald Trump tapped to head the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), has vocalized support for tax incentives for mothers.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago

Elon is a Ketamine addict who would have ODd in the streets if he wasn't handed hundreds of billions of dollars on a silver platter.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago

God Newsweek is bad. It's fine to write that article, but you have to mention that Musk is working together with Trump and they've been pushing this bill that would raise taxes on families.

What kind of memory hole was the author operating in? You don't have to focus on hypocrisy but you do have a journalistic duty to report it. That guy is a lying sack of s*** and you need to point that out if you want people to respect you and read your work in the future.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The last thing we need is more americans.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

So you're in favor of closing immigration channels?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not that I actually give a shit what JD Vance thinks. But I do kind of wonder what JD Vance thinks waking up every morning knowing that he's literally the vice president in name only and has no other function that hasn't been completely taken over by Musk.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

What things does the VP even do besides cast a vote in the event of a tie-breaker and prevent the destruction of the space-time continuum?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Vance was the arranged marriage. Musk is the trophy wife.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Instead of paying people to have kids... Why not universal healthcare including birth control? Why not outlaw forced births?

This is just some misogynist fantasy from an extremely misogynist fascist.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

As wages get suppressed further and the middle class shrinks humans become cheap resources for corporations to exploit until they are no longer able to work and are disposed of for the next crop of new even cheaper human resources. They want an exponential growth of human resources as opposed to it becoming a scarce commodity that starts becoming more expensive to use.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

They want cheap, plentiful, stupid labor that is easily fleeced and will fall over itself for shitty pay and shitty work rules. They don’t want an expensive, well treated, unionized and intelligent workforce that will keep the wannabe oligarchs in check. They don’t want to spend any money on labor. They want labor fearful and controlled when only their employer can offer any hope of obtaining the benefits you mention.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Turns out making the planet unlivable makes people not want to make more people.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

How about UBI for all children? Or, if they really want to produce a baby boom, all children born on or after 2026-01-01?

But then the very next thought in my head is:

Republicans: do black and Mexican kids get it too, just for being citizens?

Society: …yes?

Republicans: and even if their mom is single and sometimes smokes weed and is also black?

Society: yes, they are still Americans under 18.

Republicans: nope, burn it down. Take back everybody’s money. I already spent mine though and it is not fair to put undue hardship on me by demanding it back just because of some lazy black toddlers who ignore the call of the mines!

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Good fucking Criminey I hate this bastard. Bro just wants generations of cheap wage slaves for him and his buddies to harass. The world will become a much nicer place once he dies on a Ketamine binge or something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

I just feel like he doesnt do it, hed be more self aware and a better person, I think he lies to seem coll because ketamine was a cool meme for a bit

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ketamine is a very safe drug

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

If you're not taking large doses of it on the regular, sure, but he is. The long-term health effects will be astounding, should he survive long enough to see them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Whoever supplies him could do us all a massive favor... Just a tiny bit of fentanyl is all it would take.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 day ago

lemme guess. the law will be written in such a way that it very narrowly defines a situation where a father with multiple children with multiple mothers, and billions in unrealized 'earnings' each year, could split their own income between them, file jointly several times over, and end up getting back billions in earned income credit instead of paying in anything?

[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is who is running your country

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dude looks like baron Harkonnen.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Baron H. Was the bad buy in the first book, but if you keep reading that series you learn that having 1 all powerful leader is never really a good idea.

Just food for thought.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Lookin more like a Stimpy gross-up close-up every minute.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

No sir, i don't like it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

He looks like a giant roach in a rotting flesh suit

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What happened to "Can't feed them, don't breed them"? Why do I feel this tax break would only apply to a subsection of the US population?

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sounds like they need children for the war machine.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Or general labor, for some reason Republicans keep talking about how they happily worked the fields when they were 10 or whatever. They just want to ensure child labor is available for all.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Reminder that Harris suggested a 6k tax rebate for parents of newborns, and even that isn't really ideal but it's the same idea as it helps offset lost wages and subsidizes childcare which is desperately needed.

And before you say "but why have kids if you can't support them"--- that's irrelevant as far as society is concerned. Shit gets dystopian really fast when there's no new people. We are supposed to finance education for similar reasons, too, as a functioning adult generation prevents .... Well, all this crap we're dealing with now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Harris' plan was bad then, and this plan is bad now. They're both clearly attacking the problem from the wrong angle, and just trying to incentivize the creation of more workers to exploit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I agree, I'm mostly pointing out the similarities. If we survive to the next ebb in power, I hope progressives can push it the way it should be.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Even better...enforce laws against unlawful termination of pregnant employees:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/09/tesla-workers-terminated-claim-maternity-sick-leave

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Shit, i should type this into a pretty infographic somewhere, the number of times that i repeat it:

The labor market is a market, it is regulated by Supply and Demand. Less supply (fewer workers) ==> higher prices (higher wages).

That is good for the workers, and it increases the quality-of-life. That is a true socioeconomic strategy.

Musk is a grifter who wants to breed cheap wage-slaves who would earn almost nothing and who would spend their lives in poverty. Expendable slaves. If the people have fewer children, that becomes less doable.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

It's exactly why Republicans are so against abortion as well. Have as many babies as possible and dilute the labor market so wages go as low as possible.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

As I mentioned elsewhere: Grist for the mill.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Less kids, less people to train to become skilled laborers. You don't want to have an healthcare system at all when you get older? Make sure people have less kids and that those who do have a hard time sending them to school.

The Best countries in the world help parents raise their kids and those who don't have them gladly pay taxes to help.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

What good does it do to have cheaper healthcare by having cheaper labor when that very same healthcare becomes unaffordable at the same time due to that very decrease in wages?

Healthcare, as all things, is not naturally constrained to some maximum amount. You can have as much of it as you want, as long as you are ready to pay the price. Now, whether people can do just that, depends entirely on their average wages, right? So, having fewer people would increase the wages and therefore make healthcare more affordable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

I wasn't talking about wages, not everything is about that. If there's less people to train to fill the positions left vacant by people who are retiring then you end up being unable to fill said positions and you have labor shortages not just in shitty jobs that anyone can do, but in positions where your need highly qualified people as well. So you either need people to have enough kids to renew their population or you need migrants, otherwise you end up like Japan where they're starting to panic and they finally realized that they would need to let migrants move in otherwise the whole country would crash because the birthrate has been so low for so long.

Socio-economic equality and general happiness is highest in countries where there's tons of incentives to have kids. Maybe it's about keeping wages low in the US, it doesn't have to be. Give people incentives by not making it as financially stressful to have them and that means they can afford to send their kids to university. Remove all incentives and that's how you create a cheap labor population of unskilled workers.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Cool. SO those of us who can't or won't breed have to subsidize the ones who do. Fuck that shit.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Children are the future generation. As much as musk is a shit hole, you're also a selfish bastard for not wanting to allow children to grow up secure. Do you hate paying for school?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

Surely you recognize that this incentivizes greedy people (who are probably bad parents) to have more children more-so than it incentivizes responsible people?

From my perspective, anyway, I feel that this is more likely to cause more children to suffer.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Fast forward. Retirement homes, health care workers, etc. Definitely will be the kids of now taking care of all of us as we get older.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

We already do with a welfare system that incentivises un(der)employed single mothers with multiple children.

Even a married couple with multiple kids and minimum wage jobs can achieve a higher standard of living with entitlements than a single person with no kids, college education, and a job making above minimum wage.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's not just the breeders. People are subsidized just for performing the religious ritual known as "marriage". It's a handout to the religious and heteronormative that oppresses everybody else. Always has been.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago

Grist for the mill.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

This is backwards

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

👏 Progeny 👏 aren’t 👏 people 👏 They 👏 are 👏 a 👏 commodity👏

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Hey, maybe you could also introduce like an award for mothers with lots of children! Like a mother's cross. It could come in like 3 different tier and if you reach the highest, the Führer himself will visit you :)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Kim Jong Musk

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