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there is a reality where the Democrats never win another US election.
Unless Trump becomes dictator for life, we're gonna get a democrat after Trump. American independents vote on economic vibes and the vibes will only get worse. That means every four years, the two parties will swap presidents and conditions will continue to get worse.
I would not count out Trump being dictator for life, or failing that, for the voting process to become so ratfucked that dems cannot win.
I heard some conspiracy (that's probably technically mostly true but you know 
libs ) that apparently some number of probable non-Trump votes were suppressed somehow, which sounds like 2.0 of whatever al gore, so probably we'll get v3 of that in 2028.
Didn’t musk have control over the voting machines in Pennsylvania or something crazy that everyone just shrugged off
didnt you already get a lot of meddling and gerrymandering this cycle?
It's perfectly possible the Republicans just rig the vote considering the whole "blatant disregard for the law" thing going on right now.
Why would that? It really isn't that important and the democrats are happy to throw elections.
Weird thing to depend on in the fascist US. Your average progressive liberal didn't even like Biden (if they did genuinely like him, that person is not the subject of this post). They are getting the message, but repeating liberal tropes and now is the time to interrupt that cycle of waiting to take leadership from the Democrats that will never arrive.
I'm not discounting a Trump dictatorship entirely, I'm saying that the average voter has the memory of a gold fish. The era of two-term consecutive presidents died with Obama. From now on "independents" who decide the election will say "hmmm gas got higher under X. Time to vote Y."
Unless Trump becomes dictator for life, we're gonna get a democrat after Trump.
Not so sure about that. Almost 5 million votes were thrown out in the 2024-election. Why wouldn't the republicans keep doing that?
Looking into this...
I don't know what you people are complaining about; my investments look great from all the way over here, working overseas.
No, they expect the DNC to pull out a new corpse that will maintain all of trumps policies and speed up deportations further but at least the ICE headquarters will have nice feel good words painted on the wall.
Still not gonna happen. I don't know why anyone is pretending we can have a fair election at this point
I'm talking about misguided "progressives" not a through and through establishment twitter ghoul.
Many of them are on the brink but they need to be given license to reject the institutions.
Basically.
The one good thing about a Trump presidency is that it’s radicalization season. We got Peter Daou last time and for many well-meaning liberals, it’s more or less giving them permission to crash out. What are they going to do? Call you a tumblr SJW? They’re calling you that already!
there's something about this attitude that dovetails really well with the lasting inertia of amerikkkan christianity. the liberal simply plans to indeed wait it out until either they die or they're killed or they're killed through social murder. because doing things is for bad, other people and the holy must simply take it.
I know I browbeat this whole site over media comparisons (because I’m a gramsci enjoyer partially) but this leftypol post is still relevant almost a decade later.
The virgin Potter vs the CHAD Goku
Damn, that's so accurate. Harry potter is literally just a manifestation of liberalism. It's why I guess it's so easy for liberals to apply it to reality, even though material reality doesn't match it.
Pretty funny that it gets selected over Star wars, hunger games etc. which have a bit more materialism in their stories. But I think it's because that would actually require them to do something that is not conforming to their ideology.
Even going further with this analogy: when Voldemort takes over the government and schools, what do the "good guys" of those institutions do? Basically nothing. Everything relies on the individual, Harry, coming to their rescue.
Shaun talks about this more in his video on Harry Potter. Large systems can't change but one person can make a small difference for themselves. And how in the final battle Harry doesn't even do anything, the deciding factor is a wand's interpretation of property
the shiny heart of liberalism: commodity fetishism
Is this the ~2 hour video on Harry Potter by Shaun? I'm unfamiliar with this video and want to check it out.
That's the one. You should watch his videos if you're not familiar with him as he'll drop something in 6 months, talk about an obscure short story that's an analogy for what's going on right now, and then it enters the Hexbear lexicon
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Everything relies on the individual, Harry, coming to their rescue.
TBH sounds like potential Luigism, if you can convince the lib that Luigi is like Harry instead of AOC/Nancy Pelosi.
Worth noting star wars is about the Vietnam War and inspired by Soviet cinema. Liberals could never
YES
Hell yeah, also Digimon Adventure, the Chad Digidestined
If dems get back in what happens? Hoist an lgbt flag and call it a day?
They'll do as much as they did at the end of Trump's last term, which was precisely fuck all.
They'll probably publicly undo all the anti-woke anti-DEI stuff while continuing all his other policies.
The culture wars sure are a handy excuse for 'progressives' to not materially help anyone
Why, the most important election of our lifetimes of course.
Between two neoliberals who openly say they would never support universal Healthcare and we need to work with the Republicans and no were not closing any of the camps.
No more barely surviving. It's time to start fighting for the right to thrive.
Democrats are an empty vessel for whatever will win when republicans make enough people mad. That is survival in this system. Unfortunately it does nothing for people. This is about where we have been for decades. Democrats will win again.
Exactly, it's already a one-party fascist dictatorship. Why take off the mask?
I think what I'm learning talking to people is that when they are feeling vulnerable, that's when they are most open to solutions I present. I think we need to push on these vulnerabilities because in a way they are the contradictions of capitalism playing out in their consciousness. And as we know, contradiction is how things change.
Unfortunately vulnerability only comes when they are personally affected, which happens to everyone differently.
Surviving to the next brunch they mean. They assume that the system works and that dems return to power because that's how the world works. I do not think they certainly believe that trump will stop elections.
I don't see how there will be a Democrat winning, but there definitely won't be a peaceful transfer of power. J6 2029 will be successful, and I think the libs might just short circuit and die when voting is finally dead
Nah they will be the ones giving thunderous applause and singing god save america.
To be fair, if the Republicans manage to make third terms a thing, they'll get to have Obama in 2032 (now you might be tempted to think they'll rush out in droves if Obama runs in 28, but remember, so will Republicans to stop America from having a black person run America again)
Idk, but It’s gotten to a point where I judge people who vote
cascadia is a fake thing dont even
It's already done
lmao your settler separatism, having deep ties to fascism, is not a revolutionary option it is petty nationalism
Frankly, this has all been addressed in previous posts from this account, including the (now defunct) ties to white nationalism, and the wimpy liberalism the "movement" (which isn't real) represents in the modern day. It has been discussed how the concept of "Cascadia" is, in fact, a useful rhetorical tool in the current moment, to pipeline progressive liberals into discussions that don't center around United States politics (with a layer of irony applied).
It's fine if you didn't read those posts, but this disingenuous and bad-faith approach to the discussion is incredibly uncomradely and offensive. I suggest that you offer people, especially with an @hexbear account, an opportunity to address concerns you may have in the future, instead of making assumptions. You don't have to agree with the conclusions, but I think you'll find very little that's incompatible with the Hexbear consensus.
Edit: link for your convenience, the NTI is addressed at the bottom of the post. You don't have to agree with it. https://hexbear.net/comment/5576727
I am critiquing from a Marxist perspective, of which Decolonialism is a large part. "Hexbear consensus" doesn't really exist because hexbear is a mish mash of competing ideologies
This is inherently a settler nationalist movement, inherently reactionary. You are on stolen land, settled land. Inventing false nationalisms that have its roots in white supremacy is not decolonialism, it is just a different outlet of that nationalism. It is inherently a petite bourgeoisie kind of nationalism (thus a petty nationalism).This is like being a Texan nationalist, a Californian nationalist, a Quebec nationalist, Deseret, etc. You have still a colonial type of nationalism. The people who truly own the land and from which it was stolen still exist, they exist within 'cascadia' and will be oppressed within it no matter what flag changes.
It is not coming from the oppressed peoples, but comes within a white petite bourgeoisie nationalist character. You disguise this by saying "oh well we fight for the workers, we fight against the US" when its less like New Afrika and more like the Boer sepratists. Oppressor Nationalism. "Cascadia" will be an enemy of anti-colonialism just like the US.
I am critiquing from a Marxist perspective, of which Decolonialism is a large part. "Hexbear consensus" doesn't really exist because hexbear is a mish mash of competing ideologies
This is valid, and welcome, comrade-to-comrade. I don't think that your original post(s) could be characterized as "critique". We don't need to be terse with each other here like with other platforms. I do appreciate that you posted something more substantial, so we can have a discussion about this topic, and hopefully refine both of our ideas.
As to the content of your post:
I do understand where you are coming from. I don't fully disagree with you. I do want to clarify a few things that are foundational to this "thought experiment" of sorts (it is just online posting, it isn't real):
That was going to be "just a few things" but I think I'm going to leave it at that for the moment. I hope that clarifies what this is and is not meant to represent. You aren't really wrong that a "Cascadia movement" will probably not actually be socialist. We agree that the work would not be done if it existed. My point is that the material conditions of my corner of the world only allow for that level of progress at this time, but it would be progress that could be built on late in our lifetimes, or by the next generation (who would be less America-brained).
"Cascadiaposting" is more of a bit, and occasional rhetorical tool that is useful to discussions with liberals that have genuinely progressive convictions, than anything that exists in the real world. It is useful because many of these people need to be offered license to hold the belief that it's ok to dislike or oppose the United States, and that there is nothing about it that is worth saving. This is the core belief that (I hope) you and I agree on.
We do, but I do not advocate either for anything else within that. No settler petty nationalisms.
The full name of this ideology could be considered "Socialism with Cascadian Characteristics". Another thing that you and I presumably agree on, is that the settler-colonial character of the United States must be undermined as part of a revolutionary movement (as with other aspects of the regime). The critique you are bringing forth (as I stated above) is totally valid, and must be incorporated, if this were real. I'm curious what the actual theory of change would be for this part of the world. I guess maybe one thing that you and I disagree on is that I don't think it will be possible to develop into a fully post-settler-colonial society in the foreseeable future given the current material conditions of this part of the world. This "Cascadia" stuff would probably not even be purely socialist, and probably not even secessionist because nobody actually wants to die in a civil war over this shit. What it is is a thought experiment to introduce [certain, current] liberals to thinking outside the framework offered by liberal ideology. Among socialists who don't need that, it's just a bit.
Its hard to be anti-settler when its inherently a settler entity. It is possible to develop these countries, that is not what I'm disagreeing with. What I have a disagreement with is its foundations and existence. This is outside the framework of american nationalism, but not nationalism at all. This is petty bourgeoisie nationalism. Getting people to instead identify with a new petty nationalism instead of liberation is inherently against the communist and anti-colonial thinking.
I do think you're being at least somewhat serious about this, or you wouldn't go so hard to defend it, or represent yourself as it.
Following that "Actual socialism" will arise in the global south, especially as the influence of the US empire starts to fade. What better way to speed that up than to add tension between our region and Washington D.C.? The more crap they need to deal with domestically, the less ability they will have to fuck with movements that have the opportunity to get things done. I think that the character of a "Cascadian" movement probably would be social-democratic. Hopefully genuine socialists would have a foothold in that. Hopefully those socialists would be poised to develop a more communist society that we are all striving for, but the weakening of the US is a prerequisite to that in this location, is it not?
It is, but just because something weakens the US doesn't mean it is a net good. Social democratic is still settler colonialist, still capitalist. You aren't changing anything but the borders of colonialism. Weakening of empire does not mean socialism, it just is opportunity, opportunity that can be taken advantage of by any group. Moving people towards a new nationalism instead of socialism is working against socialism, not for it. You are strengthening the ties to these nationalist ideologies when you could be fighting them.
Cascadia is not a revolutionary movement, but a counter-revolutionary one.