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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Why does China hate sand? Because it's coarse and rough and gets everywhere??

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

First the landlords, now the deserts. They can't keep getting away with it! pearl-clutch

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

Me when I wipe out the dessert at thanksgiving shy

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

but but I love dessert how can Xi do this?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

NO VEGGIES NO BEDTIME

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I have not looked into what China's doing, it's probably fine, but for the record, destroying deserts is not necessarily a good thing.

Deserts aren't just useless land, like everything on Earth they're a functioning part of a whole. Desert dust is an essential part of global fertilisation and the transport of microorganisms, climate change and affects basically every natural cycle and ecosystem on the planet. Destroying deserts on a large scale not only threatens extinction of a massive biodiversity, but threatens to change global weather patterns, temperature and water cycles in ways we are decades if not centuries away from significantly understanding.

Again, not saying what China's doing is necessarily bad, I don't know what they're doing. But deserts are actually kinda cool and very important.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maowusu was grassland as recently as 218 BC and has variously been a marsh, a desert, a plain, and so on in recent epochs. Greening it is mostly an anti-desertification strategy to keep it from growing and let it re-develop into pastoral land again. It's small and hasn't been a desert for very long to begin with.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Cool. That makes sense and figured it'd be something like that. My issue was less with China and more the dismissal of deserts being useful and probably necessary.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I read somewhere that the Sahara desert is very important to the Amazon Forest. Apparently, the desert sand travel over the ocean to fertilize that part of the world. Fascinating stuff!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Leaving nature alone would’ve been a better move in retrospect (like building within it instead of destroying it), but I feel like we’ve lost that battle

Industrialization really fucking blows

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah there's a whole lot of active intervention into the environment that we do to actively combat the ways we intervene passively (eg forest planting, irrigation, rewilding, species management) that is not necessarily beneficial to the long-term habitation of our planet.

That being said, there are much smarter people than myself that are much better at finding the balance between interventionism and pacifism when it comes to ecology. Of course we have some knowledge of social ecology floating around on hexbear but I'd love to see some more discussion on how the next socialism should interact with nature.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Sparrow disaster but worldwide?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Imagine getting paid to plant trees to hold deserts at bay. I feel like every job here is a mining job (wa)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

A lot of dumbass right wingers and libs like to talk about terraforming mars but THIS is actually the first step towards humans terraforming worlds. Not whatever nonsense they think theyd do on mars. This sort of small scale regional terraforming on an already habitable planet is the first step towards developing the technologies to do it to an entire planet one day millenia from now.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago

I'm stealing "George Oreo"