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[–] 90 points 2 years ago (20 children)

They still put forth the mutually exclusive arguments, simultaneously. "Our protest couldn't have had an effect, so we totally didn't sacrifice American LGBT folk for a chance at saving Gaza" + "If the Dems had just given in to our protest, we would've voted for them and they would have won"

Both arguments are stupid on their own merits, but together, they paint a picture of intellectual and moral bankruptcy.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I mean, they didn't sacrifice American LGBT folks for a chance to save Gaza. They sacrificed us for absolutely nothing.

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    [–] 48 points 2 years ago (53 children)

    I've been loudly and proudly critical of the democrats while also voting for Harris and urging others to do so. The democratic presidential campaign in 16 and 24 amounted to: you should vote for us because the other guy sucks. We can get into a lot more details than that, particularly on the shortcomings of the policy plank and messaging, but that's the gist. It didn't work in '16, there was ZERO reason to think it would work in '24, but fuck it, we can always blame the voters.

    Unrelated story time, after I got my driver's license, my alcoholic dad would get hammered and then demand that I drive him to the liquor store to buy more liquor, and if I didn't, then I would be responsible when he crashed into someone and killed them while trying to drive himself. It was just a strategy to get me somewhere where I had to listen to him tell me what a piece of shit I was for about an hour, of course, but before I knew any better, I would comply. Eventually I just told him that he was welcome to drive himself, but I'd be letting the state patrol know how to find him.

    Dunno why I remembered that story just now. Huh.

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    [–] 42 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    I am so tired of strategic voting

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Unfortunately, that's the only kind of voting there is, so long as there are factions and negotiations (ie always, realistically speaking).

    People think of voting at the polls like an opinion poll, but it's not, or shouldn't be treated as such. We are the equivalent of electors in a college or legislators in a parliament. What we wield is not our opinion, it is our political power, what little sliver of it we have in the great mass of the electorate. If Senator John Q. RealtivelyLeft abstained on a bill for universal healthcare tomorrow because the wording displeased him, we wouldn't say "Well, that's just his opinion", we'd lambast him for forsaking a chance to make this fucking country a little less miserable for his own petty partiality. Same with voting.

    Look to your left and to your right. Your fellow voters are there, and it's only by majority vote that anything gets passed.

    Be strategic. And also, be loud and unafraid of your own position; it's the only way the calculus on strategies changes.

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    [–] 41 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    and this is just week 1 of episode 2. it's gonna get a lot worse and they won't waste any time. they have to shovel all the shit they have planned before midterms while they still have congress.

    if congress doesn't flip and flip hard--like impeachment-ready and veto-proof hard, it's 'game over'. instead of a few decades to fix episode 1, it will take generations, if it is even possible to recover completely at all.

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    [+] 39 points 2 years ago (27 children)
  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    Those of us who disliked Biden and thought Harris wasn’t enough held our contempt and voted against the bad man.

    Yeah, except for the fact that I know a lot who didn't. It might be a shock to you, but there was a big push in left-leaning communities here on Lemmy and elsewhere on the web to either not vote for Harris or not vote at all. It was so fucking full-force in major leftist communities with so little interest in Trump that I'm convinced it was a targeted disinfo campaign. One that worked.

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago* (15 children)

    As I said in another thread elsewhere on the same subject:

    The Protest Vote Paradox™

    As we’ve all read time after time in the months leading up to the election, the Protest Vote™ simply states states that:

    “We refuse to vote against a Tyrant-Felon in order to send a clear and concise message that we will not stand for [roll D20 for random popular single issue], and alongside our refusal to vote against the Tyrant-Felon, is a collective hope that the aforementioned clear and concise message- if ignored, is received under unmitigated duress!”

    -Cut to Tyrant-Felon’s win, and the aftermath:

    Whether observed or not, the behavior of the Protest Voter will attempt to achieve the following:
    • Obnoxiously tell everyone: “We told you all what would happen!”
    • Onnoxiously claim there is: “No way protest voting could cause trump to win.”

    As both of these options cannot simultaneously be true in the same reality without breaking important time-space things that we would probably prefer not be broken- we are left with only a few logical conclusions:

    1. Protest voters have no idea what they’re talking about.
    2. Protest voters don’t understand the concept of hypocrisy.
    3. Protest voters have somehow learned to defy reality and become exempt from the concept of paradoxes, thus creating an entirely new study of theoretical science, known as Bulletproof Symbiotic Hypocrisy Theory, or BLsHt.

    Something, something, something Ted Talk.

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Why are y'all so obsessed with third party voters lmao

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Still thinking the people to blame are the DNC elites that went on to run on a right platform, even inviting fucking war criminal mass murderer Dick Cheney to advocate for them.

    Also Trump is not something that just happened. The US is an empire in decline and Trump is a symptom of that. The conditions of decline are maintained by the Republicans and Democrats and voting either won't be enough to turn things around.

    Its been time to fundamentally reform the political system at the very least since 2016.

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This comment section gave me acute radiation syndrome.

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago
    [–] 11 points 2 years ago*

    🍿🍿Popcorn! Get ya popcorn here before it sells out and the thread is locked!

    This is gonna be A DOOZY of a comment section folks!!

    Only 1 protest vote for a small, and two for a large! Fascism Butter no extra charge!

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