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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

These bigoted, ignorant scum will never listen to anything. They are politically illiterate infants with an allergic reaction to reading.

They have ruined a safe space cultivated and cared for, they have turned this place into a new reddit.

I had a dude in my private messages going on about how I was both mutilating myself and other children. Many more people on hexbear have had similar experiences, with these worthless ignorant scum popping in to deliver the political equivalent of a giant shit.

As your friends, comrades, and people you say you defend get slurred at, dehumanized, and harassed please ask yourself:

Is it worth it?

I have the answer, I know you know it as well:

No its not

I used to think otherwise

I was a fool

its not worth a few laughs

even if you dunk all you want, that doesn't take away the knife those people put in our backs.

These bigots, fascists, and NATO liberals are as worthless offline as they are here, why should we give them any attention. They are worth less than the dirt beneath our fingernails. Why should we poison ourselves with their influence? We don't make any room for them offline, why should we not online?

And really

How many essays have your written?

How many sources have you combed through?

How many times have you explained the most basic facts of reality?

How many attempts at good faith?

Only for them to dismiss it in their stupidity. They don't read it, they just crumble and divert back to the programming these little shits trust in more than God.

For every time there is a good faith user, there are a dozen scumbag fascists. And most of the time, the "good faith one" just reverts back to their old shit.

Do you really think losing any member of the hexbear or lemmygrad community, longtime members or not, is worth a few good dunks?

I don't believe a small chance of gaining a new user is worth alienating an entire section of the community. The vast majority of those idiots are lost causes. If they are interested, the can just make an account and ask in good faith.

Is posting a meme to "own the liberals" worth your comrades getting more trauma from bigots harassing them?

No its not.

you've had your laugh, but it should end

Ban them all, SJW, lemm.ee, lemmy, the programmer nazi edglords. Keep Lemmygrad.

Defederate from those communities. We shouldn't sacrifice our own for more clicks. For having to subject ourselves to the opinions of people thoroughly brainwashed? We aren't reddit. We came here to get away from that. I'm sick of this. We are sick of this.

End it now

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like federation is useless if it's basically "Reddit, but run by a mostly lefty admin/ modteam" because that's ultimately still reproducing Reddit on Lemmy. Ultimately it all comes down to userbases and allowing ones with right-wing perspectives to thrive really defeats the point of making something with better politics than a website run by a mod of r/Jailbait

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like reading most hexbear content, I have learned a lot here. I hope you guys do not defederate lemm.ee. By the way, the lemm.ee mods are very strict when it comes to enforcing the instance-wide no bigotry rule.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

nah, the userbase didn't come here to get away from fighting tooth and nail with people online, it was excluded from that and banished to this place.

what you are seeing is a homecoming.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (15 children)

I hid on hexbear after lemmygrad was having some issues

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Keep the grad, let's defed with everyone else

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My position is that we should federate with all currently extant Lemmy instances & fight everybody all at once.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

I like being federated with them. There are some decent people. You see them less than the bad faith ghouls because they are more apolitical.

Can we ban specific users from federated instances? They can't post on hexbear, their comments/dms don't populate over here? I think that would solve harassment problems.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lemmygrad is the only good one. I really love Lemmygrad.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not my place to say what happens, but know that I'll miss y'all.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can we make it so we can post in other instances but other instances cant post on hexbear? Our presence on the fediverse is valuable, we have unironically improved other instances by dunking on their user bases. I think long term hexbear moderators should try to preform a coup on the other moderation teams of the other websites, and if they are following any of the teachings of Lenin should slowly guide the other instances into the light of communism by acting sort of as a vanguard. I’m sorry that you are being forced to educated the lemmy chuds, that is emotional labor and you haven’t been compensated for it. It shouldn’t be our job to educate. But defederation is a bad take, we need some growth, we aren’t advocating for the internet equivalent of antinatalism.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't care about their existence, I just want them gone. I wont risk our friends for the sake of a slight growth. I would love to take over their instances and start purging the userbase, but until that happens, I don't want to read a word from them.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perhaps we should block SJW users from posting here, or maybe have a single community where they're allowed in. They are by far the worst offenders in my experience.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This has been proposed before. A silo for newcomers is something I generally support.

But I imagine it would take some amount of custom coding that the current admins may not have time to develop.

In the meantime, if individual users are getting hate bombed by multiple vexatious accounts, it sounds like defederation reasonable.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Feels like the site has just become r/shitliberalssay.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Btw, how the fuck did we vote no on SJW only for the same vote to be held again for no reason like two weeks later where we voted yes?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

One big difference is that we lost lemmy.ca and blahjai after the first vote, so maybe people wanted to federate with another shitty instance for dunk tank fodder?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This honestly feels like recency bias. Undeniable that lots of the shit just works crew are awful. They will be reported and banned almost completely within days. The first couple of days of the other federation push was basically like this but it quieted down real quick once the banning started. It's been like 48 hours. Things changed fast and will continue to change fast. If they don't go back to largely how they were then yes definitely defed is the right answer.

Of course nobody here wants you or anyone to feel unsafe or harassed. I don't know what the solution to that is ever though short of defederation and completely locking down new signups too so its just who we got today no exceptions forever. I think that communities like that can have value but I don't think that's really ever been the spirit of Hexbear. Mods are definitely doing a good job here I think and it'll be cleaned up fast. In the meantime tools exist for you and others to block entire instances that should largely fix the issues you're having while you wait for the mods to clean things up.

Just my two cents of course

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