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They found more pipe bombs in a bedroom inside Mr. Spafford’s house, loosely stuffed in a backpack that bore a patch shaped like a hand grenade and a logo reading “#NoLivesMatter,” prosecutors said.

No Lives Matter is a nihilistic, far-right ideology that largely exists on encrypted online messaging apps like Telegram

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[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 164 points 2 years ago

The guy is white, so let's try the good old Ctrl+F "terror" and yup, sure enough, zero results.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 67 points 2 years ago

Guess Italian isn't white enough after all since they have no problem throwing that terrorism charge on an actual working class hero, Luigi

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 64 points 2 years ago

He killed one of the rich instead of a minority

[-] perslue@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 years ago

In fairness, the ultra rich are a minority

[-] notgold@aussie.zone 5 points 2 years ago

With luigi's movement hopegully scaring that minority into submission

[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Reading about who were considered white 100-150 years ago is a wild ride. It basically meant brits, Germans, and french. I guess us scandis as well, but nobody really cared about us at that point (to the extent anyone do nowadays). Italians were basically the brown people of europe, and I guess that's how they managed to go with terrorism charges.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago

I think a bunch of it had to do with Catholicism too. Anglos didn’t like that either.

I care about you scandiwegans, I especially respect your needs for personal space, cold weather and cheap healthcare.

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To be fair. In the 1900-1960 eugenics movement in the US, italians, greeks etc. were considered inferior compared to the “purest” races of northern europeans.

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[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 85 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"Hmm..." thinks I, after reading the headline. "I wonder if this is going to be someone on the right or the left. I have my suspicions, but let's not jump to unfounded conclusions."

Turns out my conclusions were (once again) entirely founded.

The neighbor also told investigators that Mr. Spafford sometimes used photographs of President Biden for target practice at a local shooting range and believed that “political assassinations should be brought back.” After the attempt on President-elect Donald J. Trump’s life in Pennsylvania in July, the papers said, Mr. Spafford told his neighbor that he “hoped the shooter doesn’t miss Kamala,” an apparent reference to Vice President Kamala Harris.

Mr. Spafford moved to his farm this fall, and the neighbor went to visit him there in October wearing a secret recording device, the papers said. Mr. Spafford told the neighbor that he had various types of explosives at the property and discussed fortifying it with “a 360-degree turret” in which he planned to mount a 50-caliber rifle, according to the papers.

No Lives Matter is an offshoot of the broader “accelerationist” movement, which seeks to accelerate radical social change through sabotage and violence. Some scholars of far-right extremism believe it takes its name from a song entitled “No Lives Matter,” by the pro-Trump Canadian rapper Tom MacDonald.

[-] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 years ago

song entitled “No Lives Matter,” by the pro-Trump Canadian rapper Tom MacDonald.

I understand the words in this sentence, but the order they are presented in is... Baffling.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago
[-] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

Guy doesn't like group think. That's why he became a figurehead of MAGA...

[-] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 years ago

....I may need more than one bottle of prosecco to prepare for 2025.

[-] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Not sure that clears up anything.

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[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

"MAGA Rap" - all I can think of is some kind of low(er)-rent Kid Rock knockoff. 🤣 😂

I'm sure I'm wrong, and I'm not going to look into it any deeper, but that's what the phrase "MAGA Rap" brings to mind for me.

[-] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago

I'm sure I'm wrong

I actually kinda think you're right, but like you I'm not looking into it any deeper.

[-] blackwateropeth@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I’m assuming this was for when “the election was stolen”, but it wasn’t because musk won :)

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[-] Huckledebuck@sh.itjust.works 70 points 2 years ago

Will we ever start seeing terrorism changes for these terrorists?

[-] Weirdmusic@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

Of course not; he's a white, right-wing nationalist. Nothing to see here.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Not unless they're a minority or they kill or threaten someone rich and conservative. The rich part there is really important, they won't care if a poor conservative gets killed. They might care a little if a rich progressive gets killed, but only if they think there might be a chance it would lead to attacks on rich people in general.

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[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 49 points 2 years ago

...that largely exists on encrypted online messaging apps like...

If you're a journalist demonizing encrypted communication, I can't take you seriously.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 years ago

Get used to it, that's the next rhetoric. If the government can't read it and filter it, they're going to try to stamp it out over the next few years.

[-] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago

Actually the FBI has been recommending people use more secure communications lately due to Chinese spying through SMS network infrastructure.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago

That was knee-jerk because we can't do shit about the espionage. As we go down the slippery slope of authoritarianism, their ability to see everything we say will become paramount to them.

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[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago

Although they recommend WhatsApp, which is owned and controlled by Meta. I'd be surprised if they don't have access to that.

[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago

That part's not new, that started in 2001. But journalists specifically have a vested interest in having secure and private communication. It's not in their interest to equate it with terrorism.

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[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 years ago

it's ok! telegram is not encrypted!

[-] Zier@fedia.io 42 points 2 years ago

Another GOP criminal, not shocked.

[-] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 years ago

I wonder what the holdup was, taking over a year to move on information, and then only on the pretense of a sawed-off shotgun as a reason. It seems really, REALLY cautious.

I wonder if neighbor was being pressed to "infiltrate" the circle. Something's really off here.

[-] Kite@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 years ago

The way the guy talked, he seemed to imply he knew about a lot of other people involved in that movement. Perhaps the FBI was just really making sure all of their i's were dotted and t's were crossed so nothing goes wrong with bringing him in and getting him to divulge a lot of information. Or.. the guy has already blown off half of a hand making his explosives. Maybe the FBI was waiting in the hopes he'd blow the rest of himself to kingdom come and they wouldn't have to deal with him lol.

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

My guess is legality of methods obtaining info.

I can have "on good authority" that you're doing XYZ, but that doesn't mean I can go snooping in your private shit. I need probable cause.

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[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

Do they just have group chats on telegram where they hype each other up and finally one yells “Leroy Jenkins” and runs off to do something stupid?

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[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 years ago

Fascism =/= nihilism. The hegemonic narrative doesn't understand anarchism, nihilism, leftism, etc...

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Thank god people like this aren't in any positions of power. /s

[-] SwordInStone@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago
[-] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago
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