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Every Democratic campaign I've been old enough to understand could always be summed up with one sentence: "Vote for us or else the Republican will do evil things". A completely negative message, nothing about why I SHOULD vote for them, just about why I should vote against the Republican.

There's one exception. Obama 2008. This campaign was all about all the good things he was going to do, all the positive change that was going to happen. The word "Change" was so associated with his campaign, it was a meme for years. And Obama won by an absolute landslide.

Now, of course, Obama's actual presidency, he didn't do ANY of that, and instead, was just another war criminal, like every other president. But I do believe a big reason why libs deify him so much is his 2008 campaign, and I think that carried him to victory in 2012 as well. (Even though in 2012, they DID do a bit of that "vote for the Democrat or the Republican will do bad things, and if I was able to see that after they did that with Trump, but applied to fucking Mitt Romney, I would've laughed my ass off).

Now, after Obama was so successful with "change", and the good stuff? We had the complete opposite. Nothing will fundamentally change.

Democrats really hate learning, not just from their mistakes, but from the stuff they did correctly.

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[-] [email protected] 63 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Obama teetered close to the edge of having enough popular support to push major reforms that could have shaken up the whole country because everyone and their dog wanted the real estate bankers thrown in jail. Lock them up, as it were.

Instead we got what we got because they got scared that campaigning on change lead people to expect change might happen. And this time it had the possibility of being more than empty sloganeering: there was genuine popular support that could have carried some of the more serious reforms being offered on campaign. Quite a dangerous thing for the party that pretends to be a steward of status quo, bipartisan consensus, and pragmatic clear mindedness. Obama's charisma lessened the weight of the wet blanket they threw on top of the reform movement.

After him they tried to capitalize on Obamas success to continue the pivot back to safer neoliberal waters. Luckily for them the Republicans had become openly racist because a black man was president and Dems figured it was a safe move. Unfortunately that wasn't enough because then Trump showed up and offered what Obama had: the promise of changing things, pretending to recognize a broken system and offering not just to fix it but to bring reforms to it. Drain the swamp, lock her up, etc.

Trump proceeded to be such a colossal fuckup that they could campaign on "going back to normal" with success. Back to the broken neoliberal capitalism of yesteryear was better than whatever shitshow Trump had done: millions of people were fucking dead, for chrissakes! Anything is better than that!

However they got complacent again. They don't want change. They don't want people to expect change. They want people satisfied with a status quo that erodes little by little in ways the common people can still recognize. But instead of a charismatic orator they had a doddering mummy. People saw that he was, even without dementia, clearly old as fuck. And all they could do was co-opt progressive language to scold those who noticed. Don't do an ableism, Jack! It's just a stutter!

In short they only want to win on their terms. If the electorate refuses those terms? They're quite happy to lose again. After all, the Republican jackals will soon enough remind us stupid proles that we should have accepted their mediocrity. Shame on us, right?

[-] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago

Between his mandate, the financial crisis, and the level of class anger, he could have governed like a pink tide president or an FDR. Obviously that's not who he was. There was a huge opportunity but no desire to act, quite the opposite.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

FDR only enacted progressive reforms, because the alternative was a socialist revolution.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

Yes, and Obama could have similarly enacted progressive reforms in service of the larger goal of rationalizing, stabilizing, and reinvigorating a system that was showing serious systemic flaws and signs of decline and decay. And like FDR he had the opportunity to do this in spite of opposition from Congress and the courts, to seize the historical moment and plow through these obstacles. But instead he did the bare minimum and kept the status quo intact at all costs. Because failing systems can only produce failed leaders.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago

In 1930s most Western capitalists felt that if they don't do something, they would very soon meet Nicholas II in person, so they were mostly willing to do reforms. Now they are convinced that their dominance is unshakeable, so they don't have any reasons to do anything.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

They did fear that, but I think in the US in the 30s there was no real consensus among capitalists about the nature of the crisis or what do do about it. Some of them were in denial, many turned to fascism, some tried a coup against FDR. FDR broke through this impasse, chose a direction, and acted, overcoming the opposition within his class. And it was a successful strategy for the capitalists.

In 2008, there was some elite concern and uncertainty due to several structural problems converging, but the ruling class consensus was to make some marginal changes but preserve the status quo as much as possible. Like you indicated, they were not sufficiently concerned to do more than that. And Obama embodied this outlook and implemented this strategy. And it has been a failure for their class and their system.

Edit: I guess my point is, the opportunity existed to force through a variety of possible changes and new directions, but Obama personified how the ruling class did not have the clarity or the will to do anything substantial. And as a working class we were only a nuisance at the margins. There was (objectively) an opportunity for us as well, but we had no organization, no leadership, no strategic clarity, no capacity to act in any meaningful way.

[-] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago

they would rather lose than change things in a meaningful way

[-] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago

The Democrats didn't want Obama to run, because they have no interest in winning.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago

Did the DNC even want Obama to be the nominee over Clinton?

[-] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago

Yes. He let Goldman Sachs handpick his entire cabinet. Clinton wanted to bring people loyal to her throughout her career. Obama hadn't been at the federal level for long, so he had no such obligations. Obama was talking to Wall Street to help them survive the recession, while Clinton was hated by the Good Ol' Boys' Club for a variety of reasons.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Makes sense, fuck the obamas

[-] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

you're laboring under the mistaken impression that the democrats lost this time around. they didnt. they made sure there was no movement to the left AND they managed to fundraise.

why change strategy when you're winning?

[-] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

With as many people working as hard as they do we have to assume that the outcome was what they wanted or at least prepared for. Donald Trump being in office is good for them financially.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

The democrats are the status quo party.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

Because even empty talk about CHANGE gets Mr Porky uncomfortable and we can't have that. Also in times of heightening contradictions even such empty talk can inspire some workers to organize. Remember, TINA for capitalism is way more important than any personal details which exactly political parrot will sit in a porch this time.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Excellent points, but what is TINA?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago
[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Thanks! I like how it's "part of a series on Margaret Thatcher"

There better be "British public latrines" in that series.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

short answer: you assume the democrats want to change anything about the neoliberal capitalist order

[-] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Think about the answer to this question, "What happens when a high visibility Democratic candidate loses? What happens to the high ranking staffers or contractors who run the losing campaigns"

Do they leave politics in disgrace? Are they viewed as pariahs whose opinions are shunned? Are they fired from their jobs as political consultants and Professional Poll Prognosticators?

Nope. Failure and losing don't matter. A political creature who loses spectacularly can still get jobs as consultants within their respective political crony groups. A consultant who runs multiple campaigns where their candidate loses goes on to work as a consultant in other campaigns. Both will make the rounds on talk shows and get gigs writing op ed articles and being hosts on political talking head shows. They might even "write" a book or two. They'll get invited to make speeches on college campuses or conferences for the political consultant class, of course getting paid for their time.

About the only way to be professionally ostracized is by intentionally burning all your bridges.

There are no real professional consequences for failure. So, it very literally is like sports ball. Two teams play against each other where one team is, by the rules of the game, going to "lose" the match. All that is required is that they show up to play.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Democratic political operatives get tax cuts when they lose, which should be a good clue as to why they don't play to win.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

They'll get tax cuts if they win too.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

It didn't hurt that obama-spike was a much better speaker than biden-the-thing or volcel-kamala and as a relatively fresh face didn't have the same amount of baggage (decades worth of it in Biden's case).

[-] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

They are about fundraising and maintaining the cohesion of certain sectors of capital, not about winning elections.

And to those ends, this election was far more successful than 2008.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2024/10/total-2024-election-spending-projected-to-exceed-previous-record/

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I get that the party leaders get paid regardless if they win or lose, but I have to assume the donors with the deepest pockets (looking at you, Allen Blue) are getting tired of throwing billions at losers...

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