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Remember kids, only genociders are allowed to fight, victims must meekly submit or be Just As Bad(tm) (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 day ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To be fair, thats what a school fight is like.

Bully punch someone, administrators dont care, you fight back, boom suspension and possible police intervention.

I was the victim of the bully. 😡

I hate bullies, putin is a bully.

Free Ukraine! Death to putin! Free Russia from Tyranny!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ez logic. Bully them at another time!

(This is for school, and a joke. Not war )

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I really don't think they understand how this whole war thing works.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Neither do many commenters online supposedly advocating for peace or saying that Ukraine fighting back is escalation.

To them, any number of Ukrainian lives is worth the 'moral high ground' of turning the other cheek.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's like saying:

"We should just let Hitler take Europe. blah blah I want peace..."

🙄

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They're not much better than the fascist cunts themselves. A little, since their end goal is different. But not much, since the course of action advocated results in the same outcome.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

That was a popular sentiment at the time for a certain breed of white folk

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Neville Chamberlain would be proud

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Didn't Neville Chamberlain get a bad rap for this? IIRC his appeasement was to simply buy more time to prepare for the war.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah and even when they did face the Nazis, the Brits were still using WWI tanks (or not much better), which were slow, got stuck easily, and barely offered any protection. They got lucky the Nazis chasing them to the coast were ordered to stop and that the citizens with boats used them to transport them back to the UK or WWII might have ended very differently.

And then the fact that they were on an island and were the head of an empire that spanned the world gave them even more time and resources to play catch up.

Hitler was also very upset when the Brits started bombing Germany instead of just focusing on dealing with the Luftwaffe bombing them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

To be fair, russia seems to have unmeasurable amount of influence over the world! He put Trump in office, probably for the second time too (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials) and they caused Brexit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendum#:~:text=Russian%20interference%20in%20the%202016%20United%20Kingdom%20European%20Union%20membership,of%20leaving%20the%20European%20Union.)

And more importantly those libtards with their morals are for Ukrainian freedom, so it must be bad bad thingy, no?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

"Wait, you're telling me the people I'm attacking are allowed to retaliate?"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Bu-but hitting back is escalatory!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

I'm pretty sure I saw the thread that inspired this. Spot on meme, good work.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I wonder why 'gopnik politics' isn't a real term yet.

[+] [email protected] -48 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Sure they both launch big bombs at each other

one side has ten missiles (and a buddy that can give them ten more)

the other side has a thousand

doesn't matter what anyone likes to argue, people are going to die and the only way to stop is to negotiate

"An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth leaves a world full of blind, toothless people"

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago

That only works if the other guy stops punching you when you try to negotiate.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

The last time Ukraine surrendered to Russia, Russia genocided 10% of their population. That was after their so-called "peace".

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

Yes, because as we know Ruzzia has a wonderful track record with negotiations and can 100% be trusted to Do the Right Thing™

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

doesn’t matter what anyone likes to argue, people are going to die and the only way to stop is to negotiate

OK agreed there, but question, what if the only negotiation the other side offers is "We take all your stuff and you serve us".

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago

doesn’t matter what anyone likes to argue, people are going to die and the only way to stop is to negotiate

Oh cool, let's negotiate for genocide. That way people will stop dy-

Oh, genocide means the exact opposite?

Huh. Weird.

“An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth leaves a world full of blind, toothless people”

And refusing an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth leaves a world subdued into abject slavery by people willing to commit violence on innocents to get whatever they want - including the thrill of committing violence on innocents.

This is "Gandhi writing to Britain and saying they should surrender to the Nazis because nonviolence is the highest principle" level bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This isn't anything to negotiate. Ukraine doesn't want to fight, but Russia is attacking them on their own land. If you had any principles you'd also be willing to die on that hill. Their way of life and very existence is threatened. This isn't like haggling over a car

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Why focus on the missles and not focus on Russia who started the war and who could literally end it if they wanted to? Their entire negotiations revolve around "give us what we want or else".

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

So Ukraine should just roll over and let Russia try to wipe out Ukrainians from the country? Seems like that nice little saying only applies when you're not talking about a war instigated by a psychopath.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

When the side you are negotiating with is a bully that keeps "negotiating" after invading more of your homeland and will just do that again in a few years, you stop negotiating and take what is yours back and make sure they remember that.

Sometimes negotiating amounts to enabling.