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From the book "Stalin" the seminal work of Historian Domenico Losurdo

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 month ago

weird how if you set up a plan to do a thing, arrange the materials ahead of time for this thing, and get dedicated motivated people on board looking forward to a better future

the thing just gets accomplished. people feel good when they make a lasting mark on the world

truly baffling, inscrutable alien stuff huh

didn't even have to have twenty middlemen siphoning away resources and cut-throat competition and risk of starvation and homelessness to motivate people

[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 month ago (4 children)

With respect to Russia, it is incontestable that Stalin raised the standard of living. The Russian people don't go hungry.

Wow I can't believe Hitler was a red fash tankie

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago

Hasn't Hitler heard of the holosomor! soviet-huff

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This Hitler dude needs to read some Anne Applebaum!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Semi-related but her husband is gonna be running for the president of Poland and I already hate it. He's gonna do about as well as the Democratic party in the US.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Horseshoe theory confirmed!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

I mean he was so pathetic that I think the entire reason Hitler thought Stalin was Aryan (this is not a joke) was to reconcile with that fact

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes I've posted this three times in three years and I'll post it again next year too! soviet-huff

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 month ago

That "We come across railway lines that aren't on the maps" really reads like someone who has just realized that he will die there. Just pure horror. Sucks to be him I guess!

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 month ago

Central planning bugs-stalin

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago

5 year plans work, folks. Everyone keeps saying it.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago

Hitler having a Skinner moment:

"Could I be wrong and making a gigantic mistake?"

"No, it's reality that's wrong"

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nice quote, I also loved that audio of Hitler being astonished by the number of tanks produced by the Soviet Union

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lol do you have a link to that one? I never tire of Hitler getting dunked on by the Soviets

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=oET1WaG5sFk

It's basically the only (secret) recording of Hitler with a normal voice, and he talks about how they underestimated the Soviets lol

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Starting to think this Hitler guy might be a Nazi

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"they've discovered how to not put strategically vital infrastructure on a map!!!"

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Haha I read it as "they are building railroads so fast that the mapmakers can't keep up"

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

i just find the idea that hitler having these subliminal almost-breakthrus about his own vision of the world being confounded at something like, [reading it again] a war enemy not showing its hand when it knows its people are desperate and that the enemy can have ears anywhere, maybe that rail line doesn't need to be known about. Maybe it's not reasonable to assume your newest map reflects a full picture of reality. Almost conceding maybe his idea of the value of these people is based on bad assumptions, but between the insane coctail of drugs he was on, and being powered by purely irrational things, he never got all the way there long enough for it to manifest as anything but brief confusion in private.

it's the allegory of the cave but it's an idiot doing genocide and fighting a two front war and just assuming that reality is wholly reflected by the information brought to him and the worldview within his mind.

there's probably an element of the "mapmakers can't keep up" too, because we know how intense soviet industrial action was at this time, but I am seeing a man who assumes he is culling a herd of swine, because he did think like that, and being challenged but not having his ontological priors at all broken by the challenge lol

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fascists think their enemies are ontologically incapable of doing anything. Within the sphere you're not really allowed to say "the soviet union did something good or productive" without following it up with "and that's why they'll collapse immediately " or "but at what cost" after

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Good thing the west doesn't fall into that trap with any other nations! They'd be sure to lose any conflicts they start with them otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago

Can't stop myself from picturing Hitler bawling over some random bottle cap factory in Chelyabinsk.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Now do you think chanbrains will stop making “dae le communism le failure?!”

Dude. The internet’s favorite guy admitted inferiority to the Soviets.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

My favourite of those memes is the picture of breadlines. People were starving to death everywhere, but the soviets did the bad thing by... giving out bread? The absence of breadlines in the US didn't mean that people didn't need it, it just means the US didn't even provide it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This is besides the point that there are and were breadlines in the U.S.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yeah it doesn't make sense in any way. Aren't the pictures of soviet breadlines from the middle of the great depression or something? I guess that's why the CIA cooked up "whataboutism" as a deflection

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

There were breadlines in the 80's particularly during peristroika as well, but again, there were breadlines in the U.S. as well.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

And if people think capitalism = no scarcity is lying to themselves.

Look at the housing crisis, might as well say there's a "houseline". There's literally a shortage of jobs, so I can make a case there's a "jobline" look at how many businesses and government services there are in literally finding jobs. None of that wouldn't exist if jobs were abundant.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

The absence of breadlines in the US

most of the pictures of breadlines are from breadlines in the US

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

a book about how Stalin was actually rad? Downloading.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

And it exclusively used anti-communist sources to prove it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

In awe of the Chad Stalin

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Fascists when they discover privatizing everything doesn't work, but collective organising does shocked-pikachu

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Yet another book onto my reading list from this website theory-gary

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

The goebbels section is also great. Before the invasion he boasts about being the largest deployment in history and about victory being inminent, a couple month later he says their intelligence on the soviet union was completely wrong.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Always funny to see liberals and fascists mald at uncontestable material reality. soviet-chad