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[–] [email protected] 256 points 1 month ago (33 children)

Who's the cheap one in this equation?

.... the customer who is paying the owner of the restaurant for the food AND is obligated by social convention to pay extra to the waiter who is underpaid.

or

... the restaurant owner who doesn't mind living in a world where we have normalized underpaying restaurant workers to the point where we pass down that responsibility to the customer who is already paying for the food.

Pay your workers a proper wage and get rid of the idea of tipping.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Don't like tipping? Protest the policies by not going to restaurants, dont shove it on the workers who are stuck in the system.

The owner is 100% happy you came to pay him and not the waiter he didnt wanna pay anyway.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (6 children)

How does this form of protest translate into a change of the tipping system?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Yeah this protest only works if there are also another set of restaurants that specifically tell you not to tip that you can give business to. I have been to some but they are very rare where I live.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Thats one way of looking at it... but if everyone would stop tipping, they would be forced to pay them a living wage or go out of business when all the staff quit. Its actually in the consumers power to effect that change, but only on a mass scale. Unfortunately its an awkward social coercion tactic at play now, which just continues to perpetuate the problem pitting us against each other just as capitalism intends to.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago

Tipping is fine, but as in "keep the change", not "we need to change this tipping culture"

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[–] [email protected] 164 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Replace waiter with "CEO" and you begin to understand why socialists believe what they do

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Except instead of 25%, it’s 250%.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

And the company owners do not walk or have to deal with customers.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (5 children)

*Manages the business, pretty sure that is their actual job, but...

I believe in socialism because the lions share of value should be returned to those who exerted the majority of effort, not the inverse, which is the stupid system we have now

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 month ago (45 children)

Tipping is bullshit. Restaurants should pay their workers properly. But I’m not gonna punish the server for that. She has zero control over that.

If I can’t afford to tip then I just don’t go to the restaurant. People would prefer to make up excuses for why they don’t wanna tip and how that doesn’t make them an asshole while taking huge huffs of their own farts. If you don’t like the tipping culture just go to a fast food restaurant or make your own food. Why is everybody such whiney bitches about everything?

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fully agree with this but the problem is that restaurant owners pay their staff shit

Give proper wages to servers and the tipping can be history

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (5 children)

MA had a ballot initiative that would have gradually brought the minimum tipped wage in line with the state's minimum wage over the next 5 years or something.

Restaurants posted signs at their door to vote NO and that 90 percent of tipped workers opposed the bill.

A bartender I know told me that I should vote no because if it passed then restaurants would have to reduce headcount and servers who were bad at their jobs would get paid just as well as servers that offer good service.

So it seems like the restaurants just threatened people with losing their jobs and so they voted NO and convinced others to do the same.

The measure didn't pass.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

I waited tables for years. (I was good at it, and even helped train everyone at a new restaurant.) Hourly pay would have definitely lowered my wage, but it's still better than tipping. It'd be cool to get hourly wage, or even commission, so that your pay isn't based on people's whims.

servers who were bad at their jobs would get paid just as well as servers that offer good service.

(Note: I use the general "you" a lot. You're just repeating what someone else said, I assume you don't have any wait staff working for you personally.) You can fire people for being bad at their jobs. Why do you have bad staff working for you, tips or no? How about: Unattractive people will get paid just as well as traditionally attractive people. Minorities will get paid just as well as whites. Your salary doesn't hinge on whether you can sneak extra stuff to your tables without your boss finding out or putting up with sexual harassment. Salary means that my paycheck comes from the restaurant and I don't have to try to balance the interests of the people paying me against the restaurant.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Yeah all of that is what is known in the business as propaganda. The more money you have the more propaganda you can put out and restaurant businesses have a lot of spare money because they don't pay their workers shit.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago

No, it's because their manager who manages the business(hypothetically) isn't paying them.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Makes me glad I live in a state that got rid of the tipped minimun and just has one across the board minimum wage.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (11 children)

I also don't tip

Because I don't go to restaurants with servers

I vote with my wallet that the whole concept is stupid, I hate paying 20% for someone to be fake nice and move food 10 feet

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

This is the way. By going but not tipping you're just fucking over the server, not the business. To hurt the business' bottom line you have to not go. Or dine and dash, but that then fucks the server harder while also affecting the business.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Just like groceries don't include tax in the advertised price. the system is designed to screw us over.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Just like groceries don’t include tax in the advertised price.

Nah, that's just in America, because Americans are dumb. Tipping doesn't exist here BTW, because it's idiotic and why would we do that.

(if Americans aren't dumb, why did they vote for Trump twice?)

(I finally found an upside to the Trump presidency!)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Almost 70 million people voted against him, myself included. We’re not a monolith. Also, only 11 states tax groceries.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Americans are dumb af. Source: am American

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

It pits the well being of the customer against the well being of the server. It's a pretty evil system. Pay everyone a living wage. Everybody deserves to live.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I don't tip as well. But I live in a civilised country where everyone gets at least a tolerable minimum wage. No one is paying me extra money just for doing my job. So I won't either. If they want more, they need to talk to their employer. It's not my responsibility.

Would I live in the United States of Idiots though, where a severe lack of ethical economic behaviour is observable, I indeed would tip the waiters, as that's sadly their financial lifeline.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I believe I'm a somewhat generous tipper.

Just today I rounded up a 23 up to 25. Euros that is. And I'm in Finland.

This is considered a generous tip, most don't tip at all.

When I drove a taxi basically if I had a shift on Christmas eve, then I'd get tips. Otherwise it was like at most 3-5% of riders who gave tips. And this was back in oughts, when people actually used cash. (I literally never had someone tip me on a card when driving a taxi.)

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (4 children)

They missed a step. "Waiter is paid below the already sad minimum wage because tips are somehow factored into their paycheck. "

Also don't forget the folks working in the back of the house. Tip if you're able, despite our shitty system.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Here in Europe, waiters actually get a living wage, and still we're expected to tip??? Like yo fuck that! I never go to regular restaurants unless it's with a work colleague that refuses to go to the canteen. Oh my sweet canteen, so cheap yet plentiful, satisfying my stomach, mind and wallet, a true blessing.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Reminds me of that episode of Scrubs, where Dr Cox was going around with a tip jar, because if a guy pouring coffee gets a tip, he should get one from the people whose lives he saved.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Waiter deals with the general public. They deserve it

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean, they deserve to make a liveable wage regardless of whether someone tips.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

I always leave a tip, but asking ME to pay more for someone ELSE’s rudeness is insane.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

I'd rather eat a frozen pizza and drink beer in the basement for 1/6th the price.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Except the food cost is only a small part of what we are paying for at a restaurant. What we are paying for is the worker's time and skills. We could, mostly, eat the same ingredients at home for much cheaper.

A lot of the other costs are small and make profit in scale.

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