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While I've certainly seen a lot of posts and cases about the other side of the coin. And not to dismiss this. I've seen plenty of stories and accounts of people who have lost family members to the cult of the "cheeto man" himself.

But my mom has gone complete bonkers since 2016 for an entirely different reason. Shes obsessed with hating Trump. From 2016-2021 it was like 99% of what she would talk about. Hell, its gotten a tiny bit better but its still like 50% on a good day of what she talks about at any given time still. During the Mueller era, she had CNN practically 24/7. So much so that one of the headlines literally burned into her TV. She would post and show anyone she talked to anti Trump memes, songs, etc. People started disconnecting from her and she just had this "Well I guess they dont like what I havr to say! They're Trumpers anyways." Pretty much lacking any self awareness into how unhinged the election made her and fully leaning into it.

This is a woman who went from not voting and not really caring for either side of the political aisle to running for and becoming a school board member. She was so insufferable in this position that she took a 4 year break because no one liked her, ran again, and resigned because no one on the board or at the school likes her.

Fortunately, I havent lived with her for the most part since COVID, aside from like 3 months when I was in between apartments due to a breakup at the time. But I do still love her and miss the old her from before Trump became president so I keep in semi touch with her.

But I had a conversation with her recently about this election that makes me question the sanity of most of these boomer libs. Despite knowing Im not voting for kamala or Trump, she keeps pushing me. Texting "your vote counts. Theres only 2 candidates" over and over. Even though I literally live halfway across the country from her in California. Shes running short of harassing me to vote for Kamala. And then out of the blue she calls me literally just to talk about this. Spews the same old zionist bullshit that "we should fund Israel, its just Bibi whos bad!" And that "Israel-Palestine is just ONE issue anyways". And so on the usual crap about J6 and shit.

I said something like "kamala and trump are both evil, Trump is just honest about it".

And she literally goes off "YOU THINK TRUMP IS HONEST! YOU MUST BE DRINKING THE KOOL AID SON! DONALD TRUMP IS ANYTHING BUT HONEST."

Basically calling me a Trumper for the mere suggestion of Trump being honest about something. Much less, honest about him being evil. Before hanging up and saying I have nothing better to do. Despite her bothering me about the subject, her calling me to argue, and her lack of being able to talk about much of anything else.

Does anyone else have any stories of crazy lib relatives post 2016? I feel like I cant be the only one.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Only one of them is. Brings him up all the god damn time and coddles the Democrats as if they’re people who care for the working class and only want what’s best. This same person is also very nationalistic and has an obsessive fear of anything Chinese.

I think Trump winning again will completely break their brain. So far they’re able to be quiet about it around their friends, but that won’t last long if he wins again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I really hope Trump loses for this reason. I really want these people to stop pretending they care about politics because they think Trump is mean.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Weird, that's a big part of the reasoning I have for wanting the Democrats to lose. (It shouldn't need saying, but just in case: I don't want either of the two fascist parties to "win," and it probably wouldn't be wise to say what I do want to happen to both the candidates illegal-to-say, but since one of them unfortunately will be winning the election...) I think a Trump win will make it harder for these people to pretend they care, because they actually have to, you know, pretend. Which is the hard part. They can't just go back to brunch again (as they did when Biden won), simply ignoring everything the profess to care about (like children in cages) and saying that all is right in the country, or at least on the right path, since one of their good guys is in office. Their brains are in dire need of breaking imo, and that won't happen if Trump loses.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Nowhere near as bad as your mom as far as the level of obsession, but as I see it, my dad fell much further from having relatively good politics (for a lib boomer) to a flat, simplistic "Trump bad" position without much concern beyond it and with a seeming sudden lack of curiosity (let alone understanding) about world events and geopolitics that he used to follow.

When I was a kid in the 90's he would tell me about US imperialism (though I don't think he used that word with me) in South America, how terrible it was, and how much the US lied about all of it. He fucking hated Reagan and Bush 1 (for all the right reasons) and strongly opposed both Iraq wars, attending protests against them, even the second one when most of America was deep in the throes of Islamophobic 9/11 derangement. He got really into learning about the life of Che Guevara for a while, reading several biographies on him, though to my disappointment now, I don't think he ever actually understood the politics, just recognized Che as someone who was genuinely fighting for the oppressed people of the world and respected him for that. I hate to say it, but I'm sure there was also just some glamorization of the revolutionary aesthetic in there too, which is fine so long as you also have an understanding from a materialist perspective and engage with the theory, which is where I suspect he fell short.

He's old enough now that I think actual age-related cognitive decline is playing at least some role in this, but the much bigger factor is that since he has no energy, he just lays around watching CNN and MSNBC all the time, and it is really sad to see. He thinks he's not being affected by the propaganda and still considers himself "on the left" because he also watches and likes the far left radical Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! (I know). I was shocked back in 2022 how easily and fully he bought into the narrative for how terrible it was that the big evil Russia invaded poor, innocent little Ukraine just out of the blue. I'm not surprised by it anymore, but now with election season, his politics are centered entirely around Trump. And it's an odd, almost gossipy kind of talk about Trump's latest shenanigans that I know is inspired by CNN talking points. It's not odd in itself, it's actually very typical, it's just odd for him, as he was never like that. He often now refers to the news anchors by first name as if he knows them sometimes, which is so uncharacteristic of the way he used to be that I couldn't have imagined it 15 years ago, or even 5. A few weeks back he was telling me about how he is now boycotting the brand of wine he used to enjoy because the owner of the company is a Trump supporter and how he just couldn't in good conscience keep giving business to a Trumper. I think he was hoping this would impress me. I asked him if he really thought that any of the other multi-millionaire or even billionaire winery owners were any better, and started to ask if he was fine buying from Biden supporters, seeing as Biden was (is) the one currently committing genocide. But I didn't say that because we were getting along well and I didn't feel like it would do any good at this point.

But yeah, it has been sad to see not just someone I care about but someone who was even formative for me on my own path to leftism become so hooked in to the same kind of thing he used to be critical of, and with so little awareness of it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

All you have to show your dad is that Democracy Now presented Adrian Zenz as a China expert and independent researcher when he's an employee of the national endowment for democracy (ran by the US GOV) and doesn't know Chinese at all.

Source: https://www.democracynow.org/2019/7/26/china_xinjiang_uyghurs_internment_surveillance

They also referred to Rushan Abbas as an independent researcher and Uyghur activist when she's a fed that worked at gitmo among other places (source: https://imgur.com/gallery/not-cia-she-says-r6x3lxD)

American media is literally no different from China's Xinhua. They just report whatever the gov tells them to.

If he doesn't like to read (Americans be like that) show him this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoyGc41wcwc
It's Trump's former chief strategist Steve Bannon telling Hong Kong students what to do.

The point is US media has NEGATIVE credibility.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (22 children)

OP, you should have blocked her a long time ago...

It was only going to get worse.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (12 children)

nah that's your family dummy. you only get one.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

Not to dogpile, OP will have to decide for their self if that's the course they want to take or not, but I'm fully in the "disown your folks for your own well being" camp if necessary

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

Found families are real and valuable though

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

"mom i am blocking you because you are a liberal" all-morons

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Note that OP did not actually ask for advice, and we're not really informed enough to give any. Like anyone, OP is going to have to consider how unhinged she is in totality, how much is tolerable at this point in life, if any other actions are feasible, and many other factors. None of us should be jumping to conclusions here, we're just projecting our own experiences onto OP. Giving this type of uninformed advice is no more helpful than a random guess, but probably more irritating to receive.

Edit: I'm referring to the thread overall, not just singling you out specifically.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This is deranged and bad advice.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

I have taken breaks of contact with her for completely different reasons. Albeit, she has a tendency to be self centered and gaslighty and this def reflects in her beliefs at times. But I dont go no contact with someone over politics unless theyre far right

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