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[–] 94 points 2 years ago (17 children)

I don't get why they don't just make these villains self-interested megalomaniacs like the old days. Focus the drama on the protagonist instead.

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  • [–] 85 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Because a few movies did "tragic villain" decently, audiences liked the switch-up, and the talentless hacks took it to mean that ever villain has to be "complex".

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago

    Nolan's batman movies did really well and they had more "grounded" villains (well, so long as you ignore scarecrow, ras al ghul, bane, talia al ghul...), so this one tried to follow the same trend. It also apparently brought in Nolan's tory politics and utter contempt for the poor. Remember when Bane stages a people's revolution in Gotham only to then decide he's going to nuke the city for no reason?

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago

    I was gonna say that they did make Lex Luthor a billionaire tech-bro asshole in the Superman movie, but then I also remembered that his opposition to Superman was out of a commitment to a bizarre interpretation of reddit-atheism, and didn't have anything to do with competing visions of the social good.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    To some modern treat enjoyers, having villains actually just be willingly evil assholes would be "cookie cutter" and make the story seem "one dimensional."

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Why though? Magnificent bastards who act entirely out of self interest, but then do things that make you think "damn, that was smart/devious" are fun to watch.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    My favorite villain of all time is Lorne Malvo in Fargo season one.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The Fargo villain from season 3 was also great. I loved how slimy, creepy and possibly full of shit he was.

    Like, he can apparently brick your computer if you search his name, but his operation is apparently formed by him and two guys.

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  • [–] 68 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Perhaps they realized that, late into production, the audience would sympathize. So they added him blowing up the city to make him irredeemable.

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    Seems like Magneto is kind of in the same vein too. He seems like a mutant Malcolm X who does heinous shit to justify opposing his otherwise sensible objections to the slow liberal reformism of the X-Men.

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    [–] 54 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    And then they have him blow up half the city for no reason to make him evil.

    Same story with Killmonger in the first Black Panther film.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Or the Marco Inaros Faction in The Expanse, or Magneto in the old X-Men movies, and so on and so on. It's basically mandatory to have antogonists with a relatable agenda commit acts of cartoonish evil out of nowhere to make it clear that the only answer to injustice is incrementalist fuckery in aliance with macchiavellian ruling class ghouls.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    When Magneto betrayed the demutantized Mystique instantly I was so mad.

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    [–] 41 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    What if The Riddler was the Zodiac killer, but also a weird incel guy?

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Wot if yer dog woz a computah

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago*

    You can definitely tell they they went ... whoops and tacked on the last 30 minutes of the movie to make him seem like the bad guy. The entire film goes into a severe tonal shift.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Fucking looooooove Batman and so badly want there to be a movie where the villain captures Batman and opens his eyes to how wealth dynamic of Gotham is the real driving force behind all the crime.

    Bruce learns that the Batman persona was just a veil for him to be recognized as an anonymous hero versus a Nepo baby who is so disconnected from reality that he thinks that building structures and donating them to the poor, destroying infrastructure, beating up the disenfranchised, and terrorizing the commoners of Gotham at their lowest points is benefiting anyone other than Gotham's upper echelons.

    So then Batman instead loots all the billionaires, destroys businesses with poor workers' rights, murders a few corrupt figureheads, and then reveals himself to be Bruce Wayne whose cowl was only masking his privilege. Finally, he sells his properties, donates his businesses to the people actually running them, and puts all of his money into trusts that pays every citizen of Gotham a living wage.

    The final scene of the movie shows a happy Bruce Wayne, no longer conflicted by his family legacy, clocking in for his shift as a security guard. He hears a commotion and finds a supervisor assaulting their employee and talking about "crunch time until the product meets the investors' standards." Bruce interrupts and starts monologuing while fiddling with a batarang: "You know, I used to use these as a non-lethal deterrent when I was more like you. Back when I punched down on the citizens of Gotham. But now I only punch up. And my weapons got a lot sharper!" Then he murders the fuck out of the boss. Cut to black.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The exact opposite of this is Arkham Origins

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    [–] 39 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    They need to play Batman like a straight cop next time. Literally just a brutal private security elite, killing anyone and destroying proof of Bill Clinton's crimes aboard the Lolita Express.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    Also he has a Discord group for some reason

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    I keep saying to any liberals that claim the Joker is about White Male Rage^TM^ is that if it was, then Arthur would have recruited those wall street bros and now here, the Riddler would give white collar criminals a high five.

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