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Put that in writing (lemmy.world)

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[-] [email protected] 139 points 7 months ago

Later: why didn't you do the thing I asked?

The secret is: it's always your fault.

[+] [email protected] 110 points 7 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] [email protected] 59 points 7 months ago

Don’t bcc your personal email, the internal mail servers can see everything even if the recipients don’t. Better to just screencap when possible.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Download it, actually.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Weekly/monthly dump of the inbox to a personal cloud storage for later archiving

Except don’t do this if your company tells you not to(which they most likely have) as it will actually screw you over pretty badly. Unless you’ve got hard proof of illegality going on, don’t piss off your employer by being paranoid.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

So what if they know you have it?

[-] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

The two things I can think of are the company may try to tag you for inappropriately handling what they consider confidential information -- and if something goes to court and the email ends up in the discovery process, opposing council may be allowed access to your entire personal email account.

It's probably better to copy everything as an attachment to a dedicated portable drive so it's less likely to be called out by the company, and if it ends up it court you only need to release the information on that drive.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

It’s probably better to copy everything as an attachment to a dedicated portable drive

This would get you fired from some jobs.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Most companies have software to identify what you’ve copied to an external drive as well.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Copying to an external drive would be way worse than using your own email. With the email you can prove that that was the only data you moved to outside the company. With an external drive they'd argue that it might be a habit, question what else you moved and sue the fuck out of you for breach of contract + violations of NDAs.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

The boss can't see it unless he asks a tech for it. The techs usually don't care.

[-] [email protected] 40 points 7 months ago

After months of no replies, you are fired for "lack of initiative".

Unless you went ahead and did it, and then you get fired for "too much initiative".

You have to find just the right amount of initiative.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago

My DEX modfier is +2 and get another +2 from being a bard, is +4 too high?

[-] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

If it made the boss feel inadequate, then yes - dial that shit back, maybe pretend to attempt to roll but then trip (while actually aiming to just trip), roll for constitution to avoid damage. Taking ego damage is unavoidable in that case, except getting to keep the job more than balances it out:-).

And congratulations - you just leveled up! Now you get to do 1.1x your previous workload, for 1.00x your previous pay.:-( Although when all your friends at work get let go, you get to stay.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Make sure you don't roll too high or too low.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

if your relationship with your boss is this toxic, you should be writing a resignation email instead.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

This goes so hard

[-] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago

Oh I know. When you're raised by a narcissist with an obsession for controlling people, EVERYTHING is your fault. Never theirs.

Hey, did you know I'm responsible for my dads marriage failing, my school (a catholic elementary school) rejecting me (an athiest) for MC Hammer dancing in church (I was acting out a death scene portraying the lies of the church killing me), the holocaust, the dinosaurs dying, getting cancer, being fat as a 5 year old, my mom attempting suicide and going into a coma, having hearing problems, being born with the umbilical cord wrapped around my neck, my dad running himself over with his truck on a day I wasn't home, cats invading our home.....now granted I fully welcomed it, but I had nothing to do with it. Three of kittens LOVED me! And then he sent them to a kill shelter, because the no kill shelter was a 10 minute longer drive.

So yeah. I'm used to everything being my fault.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Sometimes there are no words... only gif.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

I feel you, my mom was the same way.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Same here, good luck you all!

[-] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Sir / Ma'am, this is a Wendy's.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

And the frosty machine being broken is my fault, I'm assuming?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Even so, it is Wend-ception, Wendy's all the way down...

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Bit too specific there, buddy.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

It's based on real life.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

The 5th panel should be a copy of the 2nd one.

[-] DJDarren 49 points 7 months ago

We do that to our MD all the time.

A paint booth gets condemned because the filtration isn't working, the MD asks the paint manager to just carry on anyway. The paint manager says sure, send that to me in an email and I'll crack on. The email never arrives. The booth gets repaired.

[+] [email protected] -18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Nitpicking, but, e-mail aren't judicially approved, just so you know.

edit: i think this was in german IT legal stuff where i read that?

[-] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago

You are technically correct, e-mails aren't judicially approved. They are hearsay, a statement made outside of court. They absolutely can be used as evidence. Lionel Hutz was on the money when he said that 'hearsay is a kind of evidence'. Depending on the hearsay it can be quite strong evidence. That evidence can be used to make a testimony and that is judicially approved. There is strong hearsay, such as a series of emails which details the crime, and there is weak hearsay, like 'everyone knows Joe did it'. One of those examples of hearsay you can take to court, the other, well you can take what everyone is saying to court but it won't get you very far.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Found Legal Eagle's Lemmy Account?

[-] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

What do you mean by that? If you received an email, you are the witness that testifies about the email when it's introduced as evidence. Generally also not covered by hearsay when it's directly the issue of the entire case.

[-] DJDarren 3 points 7 months ago

Is that an American thing?

[-] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago

Very definitely not, emails (and texts and a bunch of other electronic comms) are discoverable as evidence and routinely used to bury people under the jail

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Guess i read that in german IT news?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

The situation isn't that different in Germany: emails can be used as evidence in court, though they aren't as strong as evidence as say: a signed letter. There is also the issue with proving that an email actually arrived, but i would assume that in this case that is already covered.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

No, it was because sender can be easily forged, etc. Or was it swiss? Anyway.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

senders can only be easily forged if you control the senders mail server or if they don't use best practices for running a mail server.
See also:

DKIM
DMARC

there are cryptographic signatures on almost all mails sent by large mail providers these days, which makes it very hard to just forge an email that will hold up to closer examination with the help of the provider. so basically the IT techs of the company would need to be on board with whatever the perpetrator is doing, for them to get away with it.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

What do you mean?

[-] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago

“Per our discussion…”

[-] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago

Mysteriously, your performance review is suddenly much worse, citing completely unrelated reasons.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago

This manager at least decides to park it rather than doubling down which honestly already puts her better than many.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago

Been there, seem that. I put it in writing that I won't do what boss asked because it would be illegal. Was never approached about this topic again.

this post was submitted on 08 Oct 2024

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