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[-] Lydia_K@lemmy.world 153 points 2 years ago

Surely nothing will go wrong with THIS corporate owned walled garden.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

How any times do they have to learn the same lesson?

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[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 138 points 2 years ago

I know a much better place. It is called mastodon.

[-] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 54 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Just pointing out the author mentions they used mastodon for a time too, their argument is that bluesky interface, content and moderation are better for them.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 2 years ago

That mindset is the problem. A slightly better UX at the cost of freedom is a bad deal.

[-] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago

UX matters.

If open source software genuinely wants to be an option for normal people, they need to fix their shit.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago

That's fair! Although I fear big money will always come up with some way to make a "better" UX, either simply because they can afford more/better devs, and often by compromising privacy, accessibility, etc.

embrace extend extinguish has worked in the past and it can work again

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

It’s a little more than a slightly better UX. Dismissing the entire concept of the instance removes a fair amount of complexity and fragmentation from the equation. There are so many cheerful guides out there about how to select an instance and every single one of them loses 95% of normal people in the first paragraph.

Having a signup model that people understand helps. Concentrating everything in one schema creates a noticeable increase in density of relevant content. Having corporate money for real hosting and security counts. When you fediverse instance goes down to DDOS or implements crippling safeguards because they can’t keep up with the spam, you really feel how the whole thing is run on a shoestring.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I will give bluesky credit for their focus on moderation. Hopefully some of that design is cloned by the Mastodon folks sooner than later

[-] einkorn@feddit.org 7 points 2 years ago

I will give bluesky credit for their focus on moderation.

Watch that focus disappear once the enshittification phase starts.

[-] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 21 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the microblog format, but I'm pretty sure everyone here is going to agree that Mastodon is the superior Twitter replacement.

[-] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 years ago

Nope. Not at all. I very much prefer BlueSky as far as Twitter replacement goes.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 17 points 2 years ago

yep, people that loved walled gardens like twitter will absolutely love bluesky

[-] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 6 points 2 years ago

I don't think I get what you mean when you say "Walled Garden" in this context. Can you elaborate?

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 12 points 2 years ago

just another corporate managed behemoth. their interfaces are slick, but the federation lacking

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

walled garden

(Edit, For example..) Facebook control all aspects: you can only do what they want. Mastodon can be hosted and modified by anyone, it's freedom.

A closed platform, walled garden, (...) is a software system wherein the carrier or service provider has control over applications, content, and/or media, and restricts convenient access to non-approved applicants or content. This is in contrast to an open platform, wherein consumers generally have unrestricted access to applications and content. - wikipedia

[-] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago

What are you talking about? BlueSky has absolutely nothing to do with Facebook. It's a different company using the open AT Protocol.

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[-] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately not. For me the main problem is discoverability. There's no recommendation algorithm except for boosts. I'm not suggesting Mastodon integrate some kind of machine learning or other advanced stuff, but number of likes from followed accounts and a threshold would be nice for a start. As it is, Mastodon is just bad for entertainment purposes. Maybe it works for other purposes, but for entertainment I'd rather have the algorithm-fuelled quote-tweet dunking on Twitter.

[-] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 10 points 2 years ago

There's the explore tab in the mastodon app that shows you trending hashtags, and recommends people to follow based off who you already follow. There's trending accounts that just post about trending items too. Use them as your algorithm.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There's definitely an opportunity for someone to run their own curation service for personalized feeds based on a user's activity on other social networks.

I tend to just check All periodically for the first couple of months and follow tags and people that suit my own interests and build my own feed from zero. But that takes effort and time, and for folks who want an option further toward the convenience end of the privacy/convenience spectrum I suspect it would be a fairly popular option.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 87 points 2 years ago

Leaving one privately run garden for another sure seems like a choice 🤔

[-] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

It's built to be decentralized though, from what I read.

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 58 points 2 years ago

Mastodon: Am I a joke to you?

[-] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I wasn't a fan of the format. (and apparently I'm not allowed to have an opinion on format)

[-] dandi8@fedia.io 16 points 2 years ago

Isn't the format literally just Twitter?

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 years ago

it's quite different in the sense that you don't see any recommended content, just your follows and their boosts.

[-] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 9 points 2 years ago

That's because its not harvesting your data in order to pull more engagement for ad revenue.

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[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

I'm not OP, but yes, that's why I don't use Mastodon or Twitter/X. I really don't like the format.

I tried to give Twitter a fair shake several years ago, and I found it to be a complete waste of my time. So I don't use it, or anything like it. That's also around when I found Reddit, which I found to not be a complete waste of time, and that's why I'm on Lemmy instead of Mastodon. I like following communities, not topics or people.

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[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I value your opinion. What do you mean by format? Couldn't you just use a different UI?

[-] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

It's kind of you, but not a huge deal. When I tried it (when there was an initial migration to Mastodon), it was so decentralized that you couldn't really have much of a feed and it was tough to find much of anything.

[-] palordrolap@fedia.io 19 points 2 years ago

The secret to Mastodon is to follow hashtags, not people. (It took a while for that feature to mature, which made that difficult earlier on.)

You can follow people too, but with the population there being lower, it generally makes more sense to follow a topic and hide accounts you don't want to see.

Caveat: I don't spend a lot of time on microblogging platforms, Mastodon or otherwise. The above knowledge might be stale, but used present tense to not give the impression the platform is dead.

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[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 2 years ago

It's centralized. They allow federation using their own protocol.

But all you need to know is that it's a capitalist, for-profit undertaking.

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[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Now ditch that for mastodon

[-] upside431@lemmy.world 51 points 2 years ago

Mastodon is much better for that

[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 42 points 2 years ago

There is another alternative to twitter

Its pretty unknown, especially on lemmy, so i dont think many people heard of it, its on something called "the fediverse" and is called "mastodon"

[-] _NetNomad@fedia.io 17 points 2 years ago

The one drawback to Bluesky’s block feature is that a user’s block lists aren’t private. Through third party apps, you can find lists of everyone anyone’s blocked. That probably won’t bother most people, but it’s a potential issue for those who worry that public block lists could be used perniciously by persistent stalkers or harassers.

The only missing function is the ability to lock your account or go private as you can on Twitter, which would let you hide your account from non-followers while still posting to folks who already follow you.

But Bluesky has gotten considerable criticism at key points over the last year and a half for failures in handling anti-Black racism in particular. Rudy Fraser wrote extensively about some of these issues along with a deep dive into his goals and challenges as the creator of the now legendary Blacksky feed in a great post a year ago.

Every time someone recommends me Bluesky, I learn something else about it that makes me never want to make an account. Any one of these three quotes should be a dealbreaker on their own

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

His profile is sign-in blocked.

“Public square” indeed.

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago

My experience with BlueSky has been that it is better than Twitter because it is smaller and doesn't cater to the far-right.

BUT...

It can become extremely toxic very fast because they implemented the same poorly executed features Twitter did that fucked things up. In fact, it's way worse than that...

The two features they copied from Twitter that hurt them the most are site-wide search and quote posts. Site-wide search enables people to "namesearch" or to monitor keywords for issues they want to fight about. Quote posts are a well understood "dunk mechanism", that largely encourages dogpiling.

As for being free of a central algorithm, that seems good, until you see that there are tons of community algorithms you can subscribe to instead. Now there are algorithms for things like "anti-Zionist posts" and "pro-Israel posts", which not only let people find their preferred echo-chamber, but also provide trolls access to exactly the groups of people they want to argue with or harass.

These algorithms can be built to detect certain hashtags and phrases, or they can just be big lists of accounts like a Twitter group. There's no telling when you might show up in one of these algorithms or why.

As a result, if you say anything less than agreeable about any issue, there's a chance you're going to hear from a bunch of accounts you've never met before, regardless of what side of an issue you are on, or how extreme your view actually is.

I don't recommend it. It's a pro-profit company that seeks to be a wholesale replacement for Twitter. AT Proto federation is a complete joke, it'll never expand if it doesn't have a flagship open source server. They'll give up on it just like Twitter did and just be another centralized, toxic, microblogging community.

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 12 points 2 years ago

The fucking lack of site wide search is why I hate these federated services. Such a glaringly missing feature.

[-] 4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago

I’d rather have a smaller but somewhat predictable group of peers I grow to somewhat respect and trust than being confronted by thousands of random strangers that are there for mere “engagemen” but not for helping each other out or saying nice things.

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[-] 4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago

Thanks, this was helpful! Sounds like I’ll pass on Bluesky!

[-] 4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 years ago

I tried Threads and it was horrible. Honestly not using Mastodon that much. But maybe that format is just not my thing.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

See the thing is........you have to microblog like a crazed hobo yelling things into the void. It doesn't need to make sense. It's better if it DOESN'T make sense.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

Yup, I've tried Twitter and hated it. I remember when Mastodon launched, and it was described as "federated Facebook" IIRC, and now people are claiming that it's more like "federated Twitter." I hate both Facebook and Twitter, so I use neither.

So honestly, I don't really care about Twitter/X vs BlueSky vs Mastodon, because I don't want to use any of them. Reddit/Lemmy is a much more interesting format to me TBH.

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[-] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago

Bluesky is also about as dead as tumblr

I barely see anyone interacting with anything, or anyone for that matter

[-] mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago

Another idea: ditch Twitter and learn to play the ukulele instead

[-] geography082@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

How about, no

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