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The number of people sleeping outdoors dropped to under 3,000 in January, the lowest the city has recorded in a decade, according to a federal count.

And that figure has likely dropped even lower since Mayor London Breed — a Democrat in a difficult reelection fight this November — started ramping up enforcement of anti-camping laws in August following a U.S. Supreme Court decision.

Homelessness in no way has gone away, and in fact grew 7%, to 8,300 in January, according to the same federal count.

But the problem is now notably out of the public eye, raising the question of where people have gone and whether the change marks a turning point in a crisis long associated with San Francisco.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Homelessness in no way has gone away, and in fact grew 7%, to 8,300 in January, according to the same federal count.

Oh, good, who needs to address a problem when you can ignore it?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (10 children)

This isn't a partizan issue, just like immigration, Democrats are fucking horrible on homelessness too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Aside from lots of blue state tax dollars that feasibility could be spend on homelessness and other infrastructure projects subsidize red states.

And any truly effective solutions can't be at the city or state level, else homeless folks will migrate there for a better life, thus overwhelming the local system. It has to be federal. That means republicans get to shoot it down yet again, with how tight congress is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Republicans simply want to push the problem into other communities. Half of the Democrats want to do the same. There are a good chunk of faux progressive politicians that recognize a grift opportunity and then get money funneled to NGOs that have no oversight. But there is at least a small percentage of Democratic politicians wanting to actually solve the problem. In my county, the county bought up several hotels/motels and are housing a couple thousand homeless. In LA, they did something similar except they gave the money to an NGO that was supposed to buy up hotels and make them usable by the homeless. Instead, the NGO decided it would be a good idea to also borrow a bunch of money also to purchase the properties, couldn't repay the loan and then the properties were repossessed and house zero homeless.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

I never realized how Orange the thumbs up was....

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Ah yes, the Covid strategy employed by many.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 month ago (27 children)

This is so sick. Instead of doing something about the rising homelessness problem, they just shoo them away so rich people don't have to see them anymore. Making life even harder for those who already have it rough.

Way to kick the one laying on the ground.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In a podcast docu-series, a woman qualified for free housing and was afraid to take it. She had mobility issues and someone in her unhoused community fetched her prescriptions. She was afraid of not being able to get medication. Now imagine how that feels losing your support system and still sleeping outside.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's a popular idea that homeless people don't want homes.

I'm sure that's true in isolated cases, but I don't know if it's generally true.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tracking homeless people is extremely difficult and where all the people once living on San Francisco’s streets have gone is impossible to know.

We all know where they went. Oakland and Richmond.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Don't forget Sacramento. I hate the sweeping under the rug without fixing the problems.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Honestly makes sense. As messed up as it sounds, it 100% must be cheaper for the city to offer a bus ticket out of town than to actually address why people are homeless. Capitalism is an asshole.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Not just capitalism. Also NIMBYism.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“We’re seeing much cleaner sidewalks,” said Terry Asten Bennett, owner of Cliff’s Variety store in the city’s historically gay Castro neighborhood, adding that she hates to see homeless people shuffled around.

Caring more about how it 'looks' than how unhoused people are surviving is peak 21st century bs.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

I get your point, but the owner is just making an observation and even says they hate seeing people shuffled around in your quote.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Gotta clear the encampment location for the incoming waves of foreclosure homeless people!

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

From my time with a county government: homeless tend to cycle between being within municipal city limits, unincorporated county, and state/federal lands like Dept of Transportation lots with highway overpasses and such.

Shuffling between jurisdictions keeps legal proceedings ever going anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

That's it exactly, move them around like whackamole.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They probably are doing what a lot of places in the country do and just bus the homeless people out of their city and send them to another.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's how they all ended up in SF in the first place.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I just went to Dreamforce last week and was told they push the tents further away from the conference while it's happening.

I don't know what it looked like before but there are still PLENTY of homeless in San Francisco and it's very sad to see.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

They're all turning up where I live across the bay

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Similar thing going on in Seattle.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, I've been wondering about that.. any theories?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Sweeps by police mostly. Lots in jail, others pushed to suburbs (especially since they combined the Seattle homelessness initiatives with king county resources), and a few put in temporary housing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Living on the Southern Atlantic seaboard here, a lot of our homeless are from New Jersey and Maryland... usually get a big wave of them come winter; local governments in the northeast shipping them down so they don't die from exposure in the colder months.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

They could put them all in Sausalito and Bay Farm. That would precipitate a solution quickly, I’m sure.

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