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This is a process known as proletarianization. It happened to the artisans when we moved to industrial manufacture, it happened to the pastoralists when we moved to factory farming, and now they can finally go after artists and techs and editors.
Shut up with your history man I don't want to learn and want to repeat until the earth boils, what's so wrong with that?
No but really, if these tools were actually to be used in such an egregious manor of which their creators envision, their little short term stock bump means actual energy and water scarcity for a lot of us. Yay. Could be any other proletarianization, but we get the one that could really fuck us over
I am wondering if that would work for books. Most books are marketed as: best selling author brandon sanderson etc. So if a book doesn't have an author on the cover, it would be hard to sell imo. For example, when I am looking for a book to read, I always check out the author and their other works.
Maybe it will be something like this: AI writer based on best selling author brandon sardersons.
But that is probably even worse than having no author on the cover.
We already have ghostwriters. Should be straightforward to conjure up an AI generated face who will look nicer than regular human authors and never say anything awkward, then have a textual genai system where you feed a few cheap ghostwritten works into one end and it regurgitates a franchise of arbitrary length, mimicking the style of someone who will have difficulty challenging the publisher in court. Bring in a new human ghostwriter every now and then to freshen up the training data if needs be. You might need to still employ some editors, but rebrand them as “prompt refiners” and give them shittier contracts.
Honestly, stuff like the MCU could be run like this already for all I know, and if it isn’t, I wonder how long it would take for someone to notice if they switched to this model?
Its the same for films, without Robbie and Gosling would Barbie have done half as well with no name actors or even worse AI generated actors? I am sure Gerwig brought positive attention to the film from her name as well. Name value is important and as Kevin Hart and the Rock are finding out if you don't spend maintaining it properly its quite easy to lose all that positive association.
Fortunately, that is sure to fail. Unless we find a way to make ai have a desire to spend. No money to spend? No products to sell. Entire system goes out of balance.
Yes, but will humans realize that before everyone has starved and the knowledge of how to do those things is gone?
Not even slightly bothered by this. The “industry” has always looked for ways to minimize production costs while optimizing profits. They are in the volatile high risk business of selling art for profit.
What successful studios understand is you have to take the losses with the wins, take risks and champion new artists. Placing trust in the artists to know what will be profitable.
The studios that rely on gimmicks, regurgitating old ideas and building projects like they are in the toilet paper business are the ones that die. Lionsgate is simply signaling that it doesn’t know what it’s doing and will pivot or die.
The art of filmmaking only works with human hands, there is no amount of 3D,4D, IMAX, recliner seat CGI in your face AI that will replace it. They are selling bespoke handcrafted free range storytelling. The second the audience smells preservatives, Lionsgate will be filing for Ch11.
I'm worried the studios might be too big to fail. Or rather, too big to fail fast enough not to have the fallout of their loathsome ideas screw all of us over.
They don't make non-"smart" TVs anymore and that's not because nobody objected.
What are you gonna do when the other major studios follow suit, adding that sweet sweet AI aspartame in their franchise schlock? Not go and see Batman vs. Darth Vader 3: The Rebackening? Watch an indie movie instead? Don't make me laugh. Your friends are already depicting you as a soyjack who insists on watching foreign 6-hour black-and-white silent films about communism.
Huh. Aspartame. I never thought of AI as aspartame but that is a really good comparison. They're not the real deal, you can taste the difference although most people wouldn't care, it's cheaper, and it is detrimental to the consumer (the effect of AI being the death of real creativity and wonder about what the human mind can come up with).
I can't say I know what Liongate's plan is, precisely, but I think you're hitting this on the head.
Remember. Most corporate strategy could be summarized as persuading investors for more debt. It doesn't really tell the whole story of what is or will happen, only what needs to be said loudly in a room full of fools holding the money bags.
The Hollywood bankruptcy auctions in a few years are gonna be lit
Lionsgate hopes to save “millions and millions” replacing all those tawdry storyboard artists and visual effects crew with “cutting-edge, capital-efficient content creation opportunities,” said vice chairman Michael Burns.
that sounds entirely unfit for human consumption. I can’t wait for Saw XV: Capital-Efficient Content Creation Opportunity! pump that melty-faced banal nonsense straight into my consumer veins!
"There was a whole chain of separate departments dealing with proletarian literature, music, drama, and entertainment generally. Here were produced rubbishy newspapers containing almost nothing except sport, crime, and astrology, sensational five-cent novelettes, films oozing with sex, and sentimental songs which were composed entirely by mechanical means on a special kind of kaleidoscope known as a versificator."
Everyone boo this studio
The need for UBI continues to grow at an alarming rate.
best we can do is 100 free chatgpt queries per month. If you can't make a living from that you need to catch up.
Will never happen. Those at the top would sooner fund extermination squads to round up the poor than send a single cent in aid.
In a way they already are, with the rich people funding the far right extremist ecosystem.
I hope it goes tits up right quick.
I can count the times I went to the cinema in the last 10 years on 1 hand. Only "Interstellar" was worth the big screen.
I don't know why people dislike that movie. It rocked my socks
It had dumb scientists, a weird love conquers all theme, a bathetic climax that was also on the wrong side of believable and an extremely tacked on epilogue.
Wouldn't say that I hated it, but it was pretty flawed for what it was. magnificent black hole cgi notwithstanding.
It's cheap space Sci-Fi for casual viewers.
I am positive that usual Sci-Fi fans didn't like it that much.
the ending was stupid, quantum library bullshit was lame af.
Complete waste of time, which fits with the theme of the movie.
I think I would have liked it better if they had cut another 60-80 minutes from it.
It was so ungodly long
Who hates Interstellar? Inception I believe, but I don’t think I’ve ever met someone who hated Interstellar. Not that they can’t exist, due to my experience or anything.
I absolutely hated it, all the worse for doing all my favorite genre's trappings so well only to tie it all with a magic bow of stupid.
I hated Inception (and Dark Knight) so much that I can now hate every new Nolan movie without having to watch them. Bliss!
Ah yes, the enshittening continues
I can't wait to see their next horror movie, Eleven Fingers.
Yuck!
seeing overpaid movie stars get replaced by ai will be fun.
Most them have protections in place preventing use of their likeness. Directors and other high level professionals will probably have enough money to sue anything that comes out of Runway. It's the artists, vfx, wardrobe, etc (i.e. low level people) that are going to get fucked. None of the savings will be passed to consumers and we will get derivative or rehashed works as a result. Only hope is that the money propping these AI replacements dries up because the studios can't attract movie goers with the even more unoriginal shit they will try to push.
Yeah this isn't the plan.
The plan is to get the stars in for a couple of days in front of a green screen, have them say their lines, then use "AI" to generate the rest of the scene. You want to get rid of all the labor around scouting sets, getting permits, constructing them, lighting them, feeding the crew etc. That's where a big part of the cost of making a movie lies.
Its only a matter of time before tech will be able to generate controlled/scripted moving images of full synthetic humans. No actors needed. Will it be shit and devoid of any emotion? Absolutely. Will the mass devour it like crazy because it is heavily marketed and promoted on social media and other channels as the next new big thing? Absolutely. They will love the 200th Marvel CU generated crapfest and with not a single frame recorded on physical media. Because they NEED to see deadpool giving a HJ to magneto while making an edgy remark about godzilla's sausage apparatus. And will it generate millions of revenue for the studio while also saving millions in actor fees, fx and other trades? You got it. The director is now a member of the board of directors.
Its only a matter of time before tech will be able to generate controlled/scripted moving images of full synthetic humans
that time arguably happened yeaaaars ago. character movement animation rigs are a hell of a far cry from where they started
Will the mass devour it like crazy because it is heavy ...
you know, there's a good conversation to be had about the cultural void that's come about as a result of the marvel generation having economic leverage and disposable income, and the extremely fucked state of affairs from the film industry having gone where it has in the last ~20y alone, but I don't know if I know enough to be the one to do it. although I'd welcome pointers if anyone knows a film/media critic with some chops that's taken this on
related to the marvel generation, I occasionally think about this post. when I do end up thinking about the shit. which largely happens when I once-in-months look to whether there's anything good to see at cinema
I highly doubt this will come to pass via GenAI.