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Two loggers have been killed by bow and arrow after allegedly encroaching the land of the uncontacted Mashco Piro Indigenous tribe deep in Peru’s Amazon, according to a rights group.

The group, known as FENAMAD, defends the rights of Peru’s Indigenous peoples. It says tensions between loggers and Indigenous tribes are on the rise and more government protective action is needed.

Two other loggers in the attack were missing and another was injured, FENAMAD said, and rescue efforts were underway.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Maybe just leave these indigenous peoples alone?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But then how will line go up??

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

put paper upside down!

hmmm, wait 🤔

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You could do that... But on the other hand... PROFITS!!1

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

you make a solid argument

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I’m not gonna say they deserved it. But they fucked up bad. (I’m inclined to think the people who really deserve it is the lobbyists and logging company owners and not the contracted workers).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Anyone “logging” the rainforest deserves to immediately contribute to the nitrogen cycle. No questions asked.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

You see, I get this is the internet and easy emotional answers like “kill them” are the ones most posted.

But firstly, I think we should have a decently high bar for “deserve to die”. Secondly, it’s not like rich well educated people are loggers.

Oftentimes these people have few or no other choices to support their families. Are unaware or not told of native tribes by their bosses. And mostly, haven’t had the privilege to be educated about the importance of the rainforest, ecological damage etc.

It’s easy to sit in our middle class first world bubble and imagine they had the same opportunities and cultural capital as us, but they likely didn’t.

(not saying you are middle class or in a first world country, but given you are on lemmy and know what the nitrogen cycle is, it’s statistically likely).

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Well said

(not saying you are middle class or in a first world country, but given you are on lemmy and know what the nitrogen cycle is, it’s statistically likely).

And even cracking smiles with that :)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

A lot of these loggers are people who's tribes were destroyed not too long ago.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

But I've already got out my pitchfork.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It’s like that gif of an orangutan fighting the bulldozer. I’m not sure why you think it’s an “emotional” response to defend yourself from the people literally trying to end all sentient life on this planet. It’s folks like you who’re pusillanimously marching our collective species into the afterlife.

Also, btw, all normative decisions, “logical” and otherwise, are fundamentally “emotional.” You’ve no other mechanism for evaluative judgement, you dumb moralizing motherfucker.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

By saying we shouldn’t murder loggers I’m killing the planet? I’m all for blocking them, I even have participated in treehouse protests myself. Find someone else to project onto.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, your bizarre and irrational distaste for self defense is killing the planet. Thanks for understanding.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well I certainly would not like to live in your dream community. Little empathy, and lots of killing. Good day.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You want me to have empathy for the people killing me? Your world is already replete with violence. I guess it just doesn’t count until it’s directed towards you.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

People have been repeatedly told not to go near this group. Its the age old story where "modern man" meets indigenous tribe and kills a bunch of them with disease and they now consider us at war. We need to leave these people alone.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don't think it's about disease. The loggers are killing the forest where they live in.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

About half were wiped out by flu, measles, and chicken pox when contact was made in the 80s.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I know, but I doubt that's the reason they killed the loggers.

Disease won't be an issue if there's no forest left for them to live in.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Those are your priorities. They don't have the full geopolitical picture. A few decades ago they got decimated by disease as soon as outsiders made contact. They remember.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

No, this is you mixing the Akuntsu with the Mashco Piro.

Your story isn't related to this tribe.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago

Border guards successfully repel incursion with minimal casualties.

FTFY

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

They were in their right to do so. It's territorial defense.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

These guys should have been arrested before they were killed for tribal incursions. Were the authorities jacking off? Whoever is in charge of keeping loggers in check fucked up and should be sacked. The logging company executive should resign in disgrace as well. Likely its his bribes that got these guys killed.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

If there's profits to be made, they are fucked now. Lumber tycoon pays for mercs to go in and introduce them to the AK47 unless the government protects them. Typically South American governments are not bribed or corrupt though, so they should be alright.

.....heh....right?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They company should be fucked up the ass for getting that close to their land. Fuck rescue efforts, that will only endanger the tribe

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

What an unfortunate thing to happen on free dozen eggs night.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Fucking metal

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago