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I say as someone who used to be really into psytrance, but the whole scene is bougie white, coloniser, and Israeli AF. It's been this way for decades. I wouldn't be this harsh if I haven't gone to a fuckload of festivals myself and experienced it firsthand.

Honestly doing psychedelics and dancing to trance are fine in moderation. But coming into it with a real expectation of personal growth is just idealism. There's all this pseudo Eastern religion promising betterment, which aligns so closely with classical fascism that it's almost funny. Not to criticise OP, but rather many people who align with psytrance, the woo health and spiritual promises of the community are never going to be fulfilled.

You are right, tho, festivals didn't have explicit Israeli propaganda until recently, at least from what I've seen. Israelis were always there, and it felt weird, but it seemed like the ones who were there wanted to disconnect from politics.

Funny story: I went to a re-birthing ceremony maybe 8 years ago. My city is majority non-white although yes I'm white. I looked around in this re-birthing ceremony and saw 300 posh white people and not a single non-white person. I walked out feeling weird and never went back.

psychedelics revolutionary potential appears to be completely captured

is it captured or was there never much there to begin with? I like psychedelics, but I feel like the idea of psychedelics as revolutionary has been dead where I live for decades, long disproven by history.

Should have arrived via paramotor

I'm sure you know this but psytrance is like, a pretty Israeli genre in the first place. Was developed by Israelis for the most part (although imo the best psytrance producer is hallucinogen who is British).

Good to know though, that's fucking awful and I will stay far away

you didn't wook out hard enough, rookie mistake

serious though, these types of spiritual festivals always seemed like the worst types of white people congregating together. I'd stick to the more party to music type festivals like Glastonbury, Coachella, Tomorrowland, Primavera etc.

I know a lot of non-party, non-outgoing, non-druggie types think these are lame or whatever but it's all good fun, nothing is serious, and the other option is what you experienced lol

There's definitely an overlap of odd spheres when it comes to some of these 'spiritual not religious' spaces. Much like cottagecore and the tradwife/tradlife stuff, similar things happened within new age/psychedelic areas. A lot of Q folks came from these kinds of areas like mayo yoga, crystals and sacred geometry, etc. Rogan has been one of these figures directing weird folks in a rightward direction. Communities bounded together via vague notions of being outside the mainstream seem to present fertile soil for grifters, fascists, etc.

Black flag with white star of david over crossed bones..?

Never went to Ozora, but pre covid, i went to psytrance events in Europe on a regular basis. There was always a strong presence of Israeli DJs and promoters because psytrance is fairly huge there, but never any overt propaganda like this. What was there in regard to bad vibes where conspiracy types that often were straight-up sovereign citizens and esoteric fascists, and funnily enough these guys who where often well-connected in a community full of fans of Israeli artists where usually not too subtle about their antisemitism, either. They didn't have to be subtle, that crowd is just full of idealist and brainwormed takes, and nobody understands any racist dogwhistles. It doesn't surprise me at all that this shift to open apartheid propaganda is taking place now.

OH yeah if the exodus from colonized Palestine really kicks off... nobody sane will be able to go to psytrance or possibly any kind of electronic thing anywhere in Europe/mostly coastal North America without this shit.

I'm also trying to process how psychedelics revolutionary potential appears to be completely captured, how they were meant to be a tool to free the mind from fascism, but then here it appears to be made near totally inert, incorporated into this new sort of "Candy Fascism".

That made me think of soma in "Brave New World".

soma 2

1 An intoxicating drink prepared from a plant and used in Vedic ritual, believed to be the drink of the gods.

1.1 (also soma plant) The plant from which the soma drink is prepared. See hom

1.2 (in Aldous Huxley's novel Brave New World) a narcotic drug which produces euphoria and hallucination, distributed by the state in order to promote content and social harmony.

Etymology: Sanskrit sōma.

anyone doing LSD or shrooms for recreational purposes is a fucking moron. lol yeah i'd like to 'dance' (aimlessly wander and wonder wtf i'm supposed to be doing with my body) in public with a bunch of drunks while i have the worst muscle soreness ever while re-living every single instance of trauma in my entire life while in psychic communion with the grass i'm walking on listening to it sing a song about focusing on fun stuff instead of sad stuff and then finishing it all off with an 18 hour long crying session in my bed thinking about my dead mom and contemplating self harm and suicide while everyone else i know is somehow asleep despite taking the same sleep-preventing drugs. sounds like a fucking blast better invite the bros.

Rich Jewish folks are particularly attracted to the music festival scene. Not looking forward to that aspect of whatever upcoming festivals I may or may not attend.

But hey you know the Jolly Roger game? That goes double for Israel flags.

From my understanding, Hungary is also extra about being pro-Israel because of their guilt surrounding their participation in the Holocaust.

Star of David Totenkopf

never been to a psy rave but as long as I can remember there has been a pretty heavy connection to Israel in that scene, lots of fans and producers from there, it is pretty funny how the psy scene markets itself as this alternative musical and social space that's more in-touch with the earth and shamanism and spiritualism and so on but they have this giant contradiction in that they always support Israel, I guess the 'remember NOVA' campaign shows they're either afraid to confront it or just internalized their support for Israel by now and don't even care, btw I think Burning Man started a psy-only event and look where that is at nowadays

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