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Well since marx and his antisemtic works to stalinist antisemitism to the current rush of commies who are all antisemitic cause they follow marx and stalin.

Leftist organizing is filled with antisemitism. Why won't condemn china russia or sri lanka for their genocides while only condemning israel. See this is why lot of jewish folk are feeling this anti zionism is antisemitic.

Find nuance within zionism rather than just being anti zionist as all those rabid college protestors

Banning israeli who served in the idf once is not a good look and obviously anti semitic.

Neil druckman is being unfairly maligned.

A lot of leftists praise hamas and that's as bad as idf. Y'all blindly supoort them just cause they are fighting israel. Meanwhile you all ignore sri lanka doing tamil genocide and the ccp doing uyghur genocide. But you all cheer on jewish civilians killed on oct 7.

Equating zionist to white supremacy or white people is very antisemitic. You leftists don't condemn sri lanka or china cause they are not white. This is a common stalinist tradition.

Also hamas is just has their own interests and don't care about jeopardizing palestine's future.

Zionism was not the product of its leaders. Implying they pushed it or they were powerful is antisemitic. It actually formed cause jewish folk escaped persecution and came here. It was a movement cause it has emotional appeal. Zionism is an emotion. Holocaust was the reason for all the jewish folk to form a jewish state.

Do you condemn hamas? Hamas attacks on civillians parallels nazi attacks for the average gentile. Hamas is a fundamentalist antisemitic group.

Horsehoe theory???//

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

Every time I try to seriously engage with the topic of antisemitism on the left - since, you know, antisemitism is bad and I don't want to be doing antisemitism - whatever podcast or article or whatever the fuck I read fails at nearly the first hurdle and it basically just turns out to be zionist entryism. Does anybody have not-bullshit recommendations here?

Also I fucking love arguments like:

Meanwhile you all ignore sri lanka doing tamil genocide and the ccp doing uyghur genocide

I could send out an email to the entire company I work at condemning these things and nothing would come of it. If I even hint that I don't love israel to the bottom of my soul in a company meeting I would be fired so fast my head would spin. Wow, which issue am I going to be engaging with more I wonder?

[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not to mention the Uyghur genocide is fictitious

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And you can literally fly to the site of the supposed "genocide" and see the region for yourself. Wait, all these Uyghur people are just hanging out and living normal lives? Huh 🤔

Try doing that in Gaza!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Actually what's happening there is an elite team of See See Pee actors and stagehands are carefully running ahead of every visitor and putting on elaborate stage shows that pretend to be real life just to hide the genocide obviously

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not to mention the stark difference in evidence in regards to China's supposed genocide

We are getting live footage of atrocities from a people who have been cut off from nearly every form of communication, because it's actually really hard to hide mass murder

And the evidence for China trying to kill off the Uighurs is what? A couple of satellite photos of a roof and some easily debunked pictures that were "smuggled" out of the camps

Wrinkly gibberish, pure vibes

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Didn't you see the picture taken from inside a drainage ditch, with the gray filter applied, of a single guard outside a regular administrative building in the middle of a city? If that's not proof of genocide I don't know what is!

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Every aspect of anti-capitalist/imperialist thought steers you away from anti-Semitism. You would be hard pressed to find anti-Jewish sentiment in any active leftist space. That's of course not to say it doesn't/can't happen. But any materialist thought completely precludes the whole Jewish New World Order / banker elite conspiracy theories of the right, and we of course don't fall for the anti-Semitic trope of a collective Jewish hivemind with genocidal desires like liberals do.

My first thought would be to point you towards moments in history of sociopolitical trife / mass violence, but my first thought would be of the Holocaust, where leftists were literally the only Jewish allies, and were persecuted alongside them (not to equate the two). Even in Eastern Europe, it was only the left that organized any sort of resistance to the Nazis and Jewish killings and deportations.

But there probably is a moment in history I don't know about where a (even nominally) leftist organization or front fell into anti-semitic thoughts and actions during some struggle. That would be a good place to start. (Then again maybe there isn't.)

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Meanwhile you all ignore sri lanka doing tamil genocide and the ccp doing uyghur genocide

What kind of argument is this? "Look mom, they got genocides, why can't I have one???"

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Seems like a...

WHATABOUTISM!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


smuglord

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Oh Jessie… Jesus Christ it’s 4 hours I can’t believe this. Disgusting self-gratifying liberal dogshit

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago

Its pretty shit. Even the history part is very weirdly framed. Just god awful.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Turns out having a PhD in Star Trek YouTube videos doesn't translate into basic academic humility on anything else.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago

Well its breadtube so its all about bloated videos with very little basis and a lot of hand wringing.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

jesse-wtf

This bullshit is more craven then just openly declaring yourself a zionist and Im not going to bother with drawing a distinction at this point. hamas-red-triangle

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 months ago (4 children)

She released a video about why she's voting for Biden just a few days before Biden dropped out.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago

Ahahaha perfectly tuned political instincts

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Me when a white trans BreadTuber ends up being a major lib (this has never happened before, guys): walter-shock

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago

walter-breakdown utterly unprecedented

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 months ago

Love that Israeli factions are currently in hot water regarding how the mass pogroms and torture should be fine. And they keep doing their genocide.

All this sort of western person can muster is whatever this video. The most pressing issue nuance with zionism and respectability.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Jessie, what the fuck are you talking about. walter

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Every YouTube creator is a liberal lmao

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago

typical liberal garbage aside:

Interesting temporal inversion, when zionism started before fascism appeared, and probably before mussolini was born shrug-outta-hecks

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago

This just shows me that radlibs are best when their only targets are people like Ben Shapiro. As soon as they move away from that it’s almost always anti-leftist shit

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Imagine being a YouTuber and having to make four hour long slop. I just couldn't, how can you even engage with something on a purely intellectual level like this and say that you're confident you're informing people correctly, for such a long period of time too? It's remarkable how so many anticapitalists can have the contours of their views molded by capitalist hegemony and barely even realize it.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

Oh ho ho ho, she even goes on a mini rant about how people called her out for her andor video repeating propaganda. She just rants on about gulags and stalin. And how her views are molded by facts and tankies won't accept it.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago (2 children)

DAE think the USSR and USA are actually the same and both just oppressive states that demonized each other to reinforce their own power?

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago

Damn we found the hypothetical libertarian I made up when Andor came out who saw the empire as the ussr

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago

lenin-heisenberg Okay, before I start, I'd just like to thank SquareSpace for sponsoring this video, thanks to them I managed to make Sovi.et, the premier online space to read theory and get in touch with other comrades

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

Yeah but he was engaged on the local struggles, I can't imagine Jessie Gender is if she's making four hour YouTube videos which highlight poor qualities that may be present but are ultimately nonreflective of the ML (or "Stalinist") left

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

At least down the rabbit hole is well researched and defunctland is high quality. But low quality talking at a camera for four hours?

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Zionism as an emotion.

Yes I was feeling very Nazi today, going to ethnically cleanse my mind right now.

Hamas is a fundamentalist antisemitic group.

Yes Hamas has fundamentals they believe in and fight for while you bootlick for the Zionists in your audience Ms. Jessie Gender while you have no ideas besides the ideology and TV shows you grew up with.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

lmao love all the positive comments on a 4hr video 2h after its release. Informed people who have absolutely listened to and engaged with the material, I'm sure

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago

Even when I saw the video there were 50 comments most calling the effort brave and saying the antisemites are gonna infest the comments.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago

I condemn oct 7 fully

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago (1 children)

One of the referenced book in the segment about the left. Thanks to the brave author for strongly critcizing the cancer that is stalinist russia. Thank you labour mp for standing against antisemitism on the left.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

authoritative

OMG JUST LIKE STALIN, HITLER, VUVUZELA, 10,000,,,0,,,09 BABIES DEAD

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (6 children)

CLAR MARZ INVENTED RACISM IN HIS GARAGE WITH A BOTTLE OF WD-40 AND FIFTY POUNDS OF RED KRYPTOMITE

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago (4 children)

>trans youtuber

>massive fucking lib

I'll be more surprised when this doesn't happen lea-tired

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Wtf happened I remember when trans people online were some of the biggest comrades. When did they get so liberal?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago

The youtube ones I guess tend to be the white, more privileged ones, access to inherited money and stuff. See also Natalie Wynn, contrapoints, lmao. Assimilationist queers have never been our allies tbh.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Das Capital, volume 1 parts 1 and 2 are somehow shorter than this shit. I don't think there's an excuse for people who indulge in breadtube but not theory.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Actually that's just some book written by an antisemitic man so its better to watch something about respect and nuance.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago

visible-disgust

Another 2x speed frustration watch

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

File this one under the "content creator I sort of knew existed and was familiar with but never actualy watched their videos because I probably knew as much or more than they do on the topic, well turns out they suck so bullet dodged lol lmao even" category.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago

She really should just talk about Star Trek. And even then she's mostly repeating herself.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In answer to your inquiry :

National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.

Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.

In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

J. Stalin
January 12, 1931

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm

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