132
submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top new old
[-] [email protected] 82 points 11 months ago

The problem with this is how stratified and disjointed American society is. Yeah, a lot of people in the US have something to lose. It's pretty common to have a fairly normal life with access to plumbing, clean water, and a high school education.

But for people like a homeless black family in a poor area of town, society has already collapsed. They already live in a fascist police state. Not to pull out the Stalin quote, but it's hard for me to imagine what freedoms are being enjoyed by those currently in extreme poverty.

Could it get worse? Yeah and it probably will.

[-] [email protected] 78 points 11 months ago

If your position is, "bring on the US collapse; maybe it'll ease the boot off the Palestinians' necks," all I can say is that I hope you're right and I hope you're prepared.

If your position is, "bring on the US collapse; I mean how much worse can it actually get?" you probably have no clue what you're talking about unless you've personally spent time in a war zone or lived through Katrina or something like that.

One of the things that struck me while studying the Russian revolution is just how much of an academic relationship we communists have to major periods of historical change. From our position it's way easier to imagine ourselves in the room with Lenin trying to make a tough decision on agricultural policy than it is to imagine stretching your food store through a region-wide famine and crop failure, or watching your family all catch cholera, or getting shot by the white army...

[-] [email protected] 45 points 11 months ago

Speaking of Katrina, does Houston have power yet?

[-] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago

Yes finally, my family didn't have any for a fucking week in that heat

[-] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

meow-hug

I'm so sorry you had to go through that. I've lived in Houston, I can imagine how miserable it was.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago

Yeah I was just trying to say the "how much worse can it get?" People are being myopic, coming from someone who has been to the poor parts of India, Nepal, and Mexico, and China pre economic surge.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

Lots of those places are bad because of American and western colonialism and imperialism in the first place. Focusing only on American domestic situation is chauvinism and is the actual privileged position, aping and pretending to be thinkin of the littlefolk when it's really just nativist masturbation

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
[-] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

Why does this imagination mind game mean anything at all? We're not "in an academic relationship" we are self-conscious proletariat aware of our world-historical role. It is our job to destroy the imperialist machine from within. The navel-gazing is irrelevant. One way or the other the only way forward for humanity is the destruction and implosion of the US.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

imagine stretching your food store through a region-wide famine and crop failure, or watching your family all catch cholera, or getting shot by the white army…

If hardship is necessary for a better future, it's necessary. But people should contemplate what that hardship will actually look like and understand what they're actually advocating.

Socialism is a mass project: educating the masses and gaining their support. People will endure hardship if it's necessary and they understand why it's necessary, but they'll fight if it's imposed from above with indifference or flippancy.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

My position is that my hoping one way or another probably doesn't have much influence on the outcome.

[-] [email protected] 59 points 11 months ago

Man I should really tone down my posting or it might actually cause the American state to collapse. Thanks, that was close one

[-] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

Well you specifically are just that powerful sir

[-] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago
[-] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago
[-] [email protected] 52 points 11 months ago

It's not something you can ever be ready for. There's not much to do ruight now except organize where you can and try to find humor amidst the horror.

[-] [email protected] 48 points 11 months ago

there will be no revolutionary potential until the conditions worsen, and their worsening is inevitable, so

[-] [email protected] 48 points 11 months ago

it can always get worse

it can always get better

it's never profound to point this out

"it can always get worse" is usually being used to shut people up

so on the rare occasion that it's not, don't be surprised when people don't respond to it well

[-] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

At some point worsening conditions just results in the US rehashing evil shit it's already turned into an art form. Roving bands of vigilantes rounding up undesirables and committing unspeakable violence against them? What little public safety nets exist being completely shredded in favor of a little more profit for some finance vampire? Living under constant threat of global nuclear war?

That's just us replaying our greatest hits. The victims of the last rounds are mostly still around, they can tell you all about how fascist this country has been for its entire existence. Rhetoric among the people reflects the conditions they live under, not the other way around.

[-] [email protected] 38 points 11 months ago

the rallying cry of the reformist lib. yawn.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago

I mean the second poster isn’t wrong. Public schools in America are badly underfunded outside of select suburbs that lean more white. And I say select suburbs because I remember living in the US and even some of the whiter districts had iffy funding. The white and rich districts had the top public schools.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

Yes but right now the worst public schools are still where the kids can depend on for possibly their sole meal of the day, socialization, donated goods, free life enriching activities, daycare when parents are working, respite from abusive environments, etc. even if all of these are sub par. This completely collapsing would be manifold worse than it still running on fumes.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago

Public schools have fired lunch room workers for giving kids with outstanding lunch bills food. What you're referencing is exactly as frogmanfromlake said it is - some schools do that , many already do not.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[-] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago

Damn, I wasn't aware we had a nag in our presence.

[-] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah, be quiet you whiners, it can always get worse.

/s

[-] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago

Still not doing the whole performative optimism thing

[-] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago

Wow, just wow. This post has entirely changed my view point on the United States. Thank you. I can now vote for our supreme leader without thinking about the mutilated corpses of Palestinian children.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago

conversely, copers always seem to have some further pale perpetually unmet it's always impossible to analyze conditions as though they are legitimately bad because the rich parts of the country don't experience those, and somewhere else's poorest poor are poorer. do we not talk about poverty in afghanistan because some people there have nice conditions? should we ignore poverty in mexico because libya & palestine are worse? if it's ridiculous logic to apply elsewhere, there have to be limits on US exceptionalism-distortion of real analysis

[-] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

some further pale perpetually unmet

I think all pales should be unmet anti-cracker-aktion

[-] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

i haven't met anyone in like 6 years

im-doing-my-part

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

Sure, the US could have the Spanish Inquisition randomly torture people, yeah I guess that would actually be much worse

[-] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

One of the things about life is that it’s never so bad that it can’t get worse.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

ok so are you getting ready or...

[-] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

It will always get worse. They is no point in pretending things will get better doing what has already not worked.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago
[-] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

vote for joe biden

[-] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

Merica’s getting worse because you pricks keep complaining.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

I find it weird how often people here blame American brainworms on America's "awful education system".

Yes, compared to Euro Succ Dem countries our schools such, but on the global scale? Yes the way school funding is structured in America does mean that quality varies a lot by zip code but I feel like even poorer school in the US are still probably better off than most schools in the developing world, if kids in those countries even have access to school at all.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago

I think you severely overestimate the quality of schools in like, rural Alabama

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I was repeatedly taught the south won the civil war and that we should regularly pray to the American flag

Like I did also get taught stuff like algebra and how to write an essay, sure. But every other second of the day was full of fundamentalist worship of America and the flag and blah blah

load more comments (10 replies)
[-] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

Iunno my school was a jungle

[-] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

Well you are mokey

load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 18 Jul 2024
132 points (100.0% liked)

chat

8431 readers
236 users here now

Chat is a text only community for casual conversation, please keep shitposting to the absolute minimum. This is intended to be a separate space from c/chapotraphouse or the daily megathread. Chat does this by being a long-form community where topics will remain from day to day unlike the megathread, and it is distinct from c/chapotraphouse in that we ask you to engage in this community in a genuine way. Please keep shitposting, bits, and irony to a minimum.

As with all communities posts need to abide by the code of conduct, additionally moderators will remove any posts or comments deemed to be inappropriate.

Thank you and happy chatting!

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS