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The fight over water is nothing new on Maui. But the impact on the county’s ability to battle fires is coming clear.

With wildfires ravaging West Maui on Aug. 8, a state water official delayed the release of water that landowners wanted to help protect their property from fires. The water standoff played out over much of the day and the water didn’t come until too late.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

Now the conflict includes opponents who do not want water to be used to fight fires, the governor said.

The opinions and desires of these 'opponents' is entirely irrelevant when it comes to emergency resources. The lives of those in immediate danger are far far more important than you getting to water your god damn plants.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not sure how well this would work for Hawaiian cities, but San Francisco utilizes a network of cisterns in intersections that are ready to go if needed.

https://www.kqed.org/news/11622273/what-are-the-mysterious-brick-circles-in-san-francisco-intersections

Old tech, but I’ve always found it a pretty brilliant idea.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

That is for sure really cool!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

San Francisco has a big historical reason for doing that though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In this new era, almost EVERY city has a reason to put those or similar measures in. Fires are only getting more widespread and intense as areas dry out more and more and experience record heat. It's only a matter of time until another one threatens a major urban area.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I don't disagree, but they have the benefit of hindsight. And politicians are not very good at seeing reality until after the fact.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Seems like pretty clear-cut manslaughter at the least.

If you reduced the scale to one person on fire and someone standing next to him blocking access to a hose, it's undeniable that one party knowingly caused the other's death.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Uh... fighting over water... on an... island...?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's why Hawaiians are constantly saying to tourists to stop coming.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately their economy would collapse if that happened. Tourism drives that state.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Just tell tourists to BYB.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

They would probably do better to invite tourists and use the money that comes in to build desalination plants. Israel has more than proven that any country with a coastline can have all the water they need, ten years ago everyone was predicting they'd be in water wars but now they've got such a good supply they're selling it to neighbours. Even easier for a state with so much available geothermal.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

According to the sources, Manuel wanted West Maui Land to get permission from a taro, or kalo, farm located downstream from the company’s property.

We are sooo fucked

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

We can't save your house because the companies that own everything are fighting over which one of them owns the water

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Humanity at work 🤦🤦🤦🤦

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like you could use salt water to fight fires and keep the fresh water for drinking.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That would be actually worse than letting the fire burn. You would absolutely ruin the land for plants for quite a while.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Natural fire break.