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President Joe Biden’s family used a Sunday gathering at Camp David to urge him to stay in the race and keep fighting despite his dreadful debate performance, and some members criticized how his staff prepared him for the faceoff, according to four people familiar with the discussions.

Biden spent the day sequestered with first lady Jill Biden, his children and grandchildren. It was a previously scheduled trip to the presidential retreat in Maryland for a photo shoot with Annie Leibovitz for the upcoming Democratic National Convention.

But the gathering was also an exercise in trying to figure out how to quell Democratic anxiety that has exploded following Thursday’s performance.

While his family was aware of how poorly he performed against Donald Trump, they also continue to think he’s the best person to beat the Republican presumptive nominee. They also believe he is capable of doing the job of president for another four years, according to the people who were not authorized to speak publicly about internal discussions and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 4 months ago (3 children)

This strikes me as a pretend leak kind of story.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This whole media narrative of "Biden should step down" is all fabricated.

All fabricated to help trump.

Trump should step down. Oh ya, we know he won't and it would just be dismissed by the people it should matter to. This narrative of Joe stepping down is an attack designed to go after people with morals and standards. Which is sad, that being principled will be exploited by our so called 4th estate.

Only someone voting democrat can agree in ernest that someone with limited mental capacity should not be tasked with the job of president. Why this is true, is the entire problem.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 4 months ago (8 children)

I’d love to be wrong here, but i think we’re totally fucked.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

If during the debate, the building had collapsed and accidently killed everyone in the room, Americans would be overjoyed at our luck.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

86 years old if he get reelected and makes the full four year and Trump would have 82 years on him by the end of his term if he won the election

gerontocracy

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago

Keep the elder abuse going.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I understand I'm voting for Kamala Harris with my vote for Biden, but I don't think she could beat Trump.
There's a lot of independents still on the fence between Trump and Biden (for some reason) and I think that anyone who's even entertaining the idea of voting for Donald Trump would never vote for a woman of color.
So, unfortunately because we're so late in the election year, I think we'll have to vote for the old white guy to keep the old white felon out of the Whitehouse.
The only silver lining to all of this is that they'll probably both be dead before the next election and we can firmly remember to take age into account in the next primary if Biden wins.
If Trump wins there won't ever be another primary or general election and I think a lot of people lose focus on that because Biden is 2½ years older than Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

This is turning into Succession

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (15 children)

Staying in and keeping fighting is a lot to ask from a guy in his condition. Maybe he could drop out and keep fighting, or possibly stay in and quit fighting. Those would both be easier, and it doesn't much matter at this point anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Somebody should tell him he's listening to the wrong people here.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago (15 children)

The time to switch candidates was 6-8 months ago. It's too late at this point, at least for US politics. Too many "undecided" voters seem to think they need a year to get to know a candidate.

If they were to switch from Biden, Trump would win in a landslide without having to say a damned thing or remind anyone he existed between now and then.

This country is fucked.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Ya, he should have never sought re-election, but it's past that point.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago (3 children)

And yet, it's exactly the point. He broke the biggest campaign promise that caused me to vote for him. Now we're exactly where we don't want to be.

I have to vote for him because the alternative is infinitely worse. I don't think he can win. Fuck the DNC and Biden for not foreseeing this and sticking to the promise.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The DNC has been snatching defeat from the jaws of victory my whole life. I’m so sick of this shit.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

I think you're suggesting that he committed to being a 1-term president as part of his campaign. You might be remembering a bunch of sensationalized articles based on a Politico article where an unnamed "prominent advisor" said "he won't be running for reelection" and a bunch of other mostly unnamed people also suggested he wouldn't/shouldn't run again. Which led to tons of other articles, which parroted it as fact.

The Politico article even further went on to be updated after it was first published to add a quote from Biden's deputy campaign manager and communications director at the time, which stated Biden was "not privately considering declining to run for re-election."

So he never made that commitment and the only official communication refuted the speculation.

Reference Politico - Biden Single Term

Slate even covered this recently in another article, where they were unable to locate any official commitment related to serving a single term.

Reference Slate - Biden Single Term

Disclaimer: I also wish we had another option, just presenting some evidence. Maybe it'll make you feel better with your choice.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's like Ruth bader Ginsberg all over again

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

If she had stepped down when Obama asked her to, we wouldn't have this current SCROTUS. Seems like Obama had some foresight about aging. Too bad Biden's handlers didn't.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Back then we were told "But no party has run a different candidate when they had a setting president that was eligible for reelection." There was never a choice.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Oddly reminiscent of this. I just wish we got a chance for Bernie.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (8 children)

If his family supports him, i guess we all should /s

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Yes. You should. Because the alternative is a dictator. So if he is the nominee, you should support him.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (16 children)

I'm just wondering why they left the fate of the entire free world to...this guy? Seriously? A turtle would have been better. Why run him again when it was this obvious of a bad idea even back in the primaries? Anyone but Hillary would have been a shoe in, now we have to worry.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

There is no other space filler. We need Biden to run! But we really need a candidate for next time.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Is anyone voting for Biden because they really love him?

He could be replaced at the snap of a finger and it would not cost votes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (19 children)

I am voting for Biden because he's a good president.

He could not be replaced at the snap of a finger, he's had an extremely active first term and already pursued and heavily invested in najor progressive reforms.

Unnecessarily replacing a candidate 4 months before the election would absolutely throw the election to the conservatives.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

As much as I don’t think Biden should run at his age, you’re basing the “changing the nominee now wouldn’t cost votes” on nothing whatsoever. There is a proven benefit to incumbency. I don’t like it, but it’s true. And the other massive question mark is who does a majority of the country like enough in the Democratic Party (that the Democratic Party actually wants being its nominee) to just install? Because you also have to factor in the mileage the right would get out of “the Democratic Party’s nominee was installed like a dictator!” shit. No to mention the optics of a party elite-chosen candidate. You can’t say a change wouldn’t lose votes without a definitive other candidate to compare to and without considering the optics.

So basically, what you’re saying is mostly just nonsense. This is a terrible situation for us to have to be I . But we’re in it. No use pretending.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

You'll find some in the politics comms who love Biden

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

If there is a next time

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