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[–] [email protected] 67 points 4 months ago

But damned if we're gonna do anything about it.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I don't think people realize how far the NRA has gone to block ANY legislation that will reduce gun sales. We have bad gun laws not because of the lack of effort from government, but specifically how much effort the NRA has put in to stop it.

They went bankrupt funding progun policy.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is one of my favorite stories.

The ATF completely screwed up the raid on the Branch Davidian Church in Waco back in 1993. It was indenfesnable and a lot of people started saying that the Agency should be abolished and its responsibilities moved to the FBI.

"Small government" GOPs blocked any mention of the idea, because they were worried about having the FBI looking into gun crimes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Do you have a source for that? That would be a very interesting read.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Talk to anyone who was old enough to vote for Clinton.

It wasn't a big dramatic floor fight in Congress. People started talking about doing away with the ATF, and the idea seemed to be gaining momentum, and then it just...vanished.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Also they backed banning open carry here in California because the scarry Black Panthers. Bunch of racists cowards, also wallow in piss Ronald Reagan ya fucking profligate.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

They went bankrupt funding progun policy.

Also, being a treasonous front for Russian political interference didn't help their cause

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/764879242/nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016-new-senate-report-reveals

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Okay, so almost two mass shootings per day is the line at which a US official is willing to speak out against gun violence.

Good to know.

I would have said one mass shooting a week is really pushing it, but that's why they're the surgeon general.

Line in the sand: roughly two mass shootings everyday.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

I read a headline yesterday that a toddler has been injured by firearms every day for the last two years in the US. But abortion is the problem. As an 80s kid, no disrespect, but guns are gay.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

80s kid or not, sometimes we need to update the terms we use.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Intentional because 2nd amendment types don't like their masculinity questioned. There should be shirts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That just sounds like an advertisement for the armed gay agenda...

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I thought the headline was that there was a toddler shooting someone every two weeks. Although from what I read, that headline was a bit incorrect.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

The toddler on toddler violence in the US is out of control!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Either way that goes the point is the same. You are probably correct but I'm too lazy to check ;)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Technically correct is the best correct.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

toddler has injured themselves with a firearm every day for the last two years

Should really take the gun away from that dude and teach him the difference between plural and singular 🤔

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Guns may be gay but I dont give a damn, give me the powder tube it goes well with my axe.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Only two? We passed 2 a few years back. I've seen 8 but if the average isn't 4 I'll be surprised.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yup, the average for US mass shootings, as in multiple victims of gun violence from a single shooting, in 2024 up to June is 1.5 per day, or about one mass shooting in the US every 16 hours.

You might be thinking of regular shootings, where only one person is injured, which is way more common and includes suicides and accidents.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Oh the shit fits the right will throw over this...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Waiting for the right to panic about stats they have been trying to hide for 30 years. Or they will force a recall vote to remove the Surgeon General.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Surprised it's even legal. Let the conservative hoop jumping commence.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

They’ll just put surgeon general’s warnings on public schools.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm here thinking: "but gunshots are not a disease? Wait, gunshots ARE treated at hospitals, and probably take a lot more resources to treat than, say, a fever. So it does fall within his purview in my uninformed opinion."

And then I thought "But why are people shooting each other? Maybe he should have declared a mental health crisis?"

So to conclude, I think it would be more productive to treat the mental health issue, and gun crimes should reduce. Of course, reducing the number and availability of guns would help too, but seems a harder problem to tackle.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is actually the main policy stance of the Liberal Gun Club. That we're spending all this time regulating guns and ignoring/underaddressing the root causes like mental health issues, domestic violence, toxic masculinity, income inequality, poverty, etc.

Not to say that guns shouldn't be regulated to some extent, but with the way mental health is in America I'm pretty sure we'd just see a spike in knife and baseball bat crime and suicide by hanging if we somehow magically got rid of guns.

https://theliberalgunclub.com/about-us/root-cause-mitigation-2/

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

there's mentally ill people in every country but only in america do they have easy access to firearms with hardly any red tape.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Most countries have a functional mental health system. The US does not. We fail on both accounts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Canada says "High". we don't have a functional mental health solution and it's only gotten worse. And while we do have gun crime, it's nowhere near the same as our southern neighbour because of our gun restrictions and we don't Fetishize gun culture.

Mental health IS part of the problem. But the insane culture around owning firearms in the US directly leads to the prevalence of gun crime.