chapotraphouse

the protestors

It needs to be made clear; The insurgents were a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the student movement, a few hundred, maybe a few thousand people out of hundreds of thousands of activists across the country. They were not at all representative of the '89 protest movement. Chai Ling wasn't a protest leader, she was just some CIA backed asshole and she and her goons bullied their way up to the PA and took it over. They did not represent the student movement or Tianamen Square. It must be stressed that the movement was mostly in opposition to Dengist market liberalization. Folks wanted to preserve communism against marketization of the economy. A secondary factor was a desire to create a more permissive social environment that reflected communist views of gender equality and allowed young people more freedom to express themsevles. Again, not because of government repression, but because they viewed contemporary chinese culture as very staid and conservative in a way that was not in line with their communist values.

To quote one of the protest leaders "What we actually are hoping for is bloodshed, the moment when the government is ready to brazenly butcher the people. Only when the Square is awash with blood will the people of China open their eyes" - Chai Ling

By the way, that person is alive and well running a firm that fires people for not praying at work.

Wait, you mean the ebil CCP didn't send her to a camp??

By the way, that person is alive and well running a firm that fires people for not praying at work.

It's always the fucking Christians

What we actually are hoping for is bloodshed

Sounds like starting shit

dutch redditor takes time away from busy blackface schedule to call out racism

:point-and-laugh-1::point-and-laugh-2:

1. Being mean to Redditors is anti-white racism, the worst kind of racism.
2. It is batshit because it disagrees with what the average western treatboy idiot believes.

Beat me to it

Thats easy. China bad sweety, dont u know?

Framing this.

If I had to take a guess based on my own past as a dumbass radlib who believed anti China bullshit I'd say he's trying to claim that by not listening to Chinese people who claim it happened we're ignoring their voices and that makes us racist against Chinese people even though he's the one who actually hates China

See in his mind he thinks every single Chinese person who knows it didn't happen is brainwashed and they just don't know the truth so it's OK for him to not listen to any of them, also he believes that it's physically impossible for him to be racist by virtue of being a liberal

So yeah, very tangled mess of brainworms but I think I sorted them out

Over/under on how many Winnie the Pooh memes this guy has posted today?

The only famous video/image 99.9% of all Americans see of it is tank man NOT getting run over by a tank, and even then so many of them will be like “um yeah you don’t want to know what happens after the video cuts off” but the full video DOESNT CUT OFF AND HE JUST WALKS AWAY UNHARMED.

The ones that have seen the full thing all say "but then he was disappeared afterwards" with no evidence and everyone just totally believes it because they just believe that's what China does.

This is my go to for the power of propaganda but it only works in person. It's "Do you know what happened to the Tank Man at Tienanman Square?" People almost always answer that he was run over. The response is great because while we don't know exactly what happened to him we know one thing for certain; he was not run over. That's the one thing we can say for sure and its the one thing they believe happened through the power of propaganda.

Yeah, a bunch of people run up and push him out of hte way of the tanks. And no one ever talks about how he climbed up on to the tank to have a chat with the tank commander, then climbed down, and absolutely nothing happened to him. Imagine climbing on to a cop MRAP or APC in the US.

My headcannon is that the tank commander was his kid and he climbed up there to discuss what they were having for dinner.

The fact that most Americans just assume tank man got run over and killed even after seeing part of the video of it is what genuinely drives me insane. Like the rest of the video is readily available bro you can see him walk away

This is potentially a good starting point for exposing the greater mythology about the event.

Ask if the person you're speaking with thinks the tank man was ran over.

1. If they say yes, pull up the video, and ask if that makes them wonder what else about the incident has been mythologized. If they can admit they bought some BS you can work with them, if they dig in ("oh I'm sure something sinister happened to him later") you're wasting your time.
2. If they say no, ask why a column of tanks was so deferential with that one guy when the story goes that there was an unprompted slaughter going on elsewhere. You can talk about how the event escalated, who was escalating, etc.

Oh god this entire thread is full of gems

These people are not socialists. It’s all just right wing agitprop. It’s extremely obvious.

I assume hexbear is just the russian troll factory.

I can read Russian and I sometimes read Russian media and it uses almost exactly the same topics for their people. There is a new one that they started to repeat recently and it’s that Zelensky is an illegitimate president, because his term has ened.

It’s weird that those forums are in English, reading the insane takes and rhetoric. I also noticed many of the accounts are just prolific posters, making the community seem small to me. Also saw an account with a trans flag, which is surprising they would accommodate such a person or such a person would have those weird views on lemmygrad.

The utility is that they use hexbear and .ml as intro exercises before they promote the trolls to Facebook or reddit.

Last part is true and even more insane/sad because these people are all terminally online gossip mongers that Pol Pot would have immediately executed.

You own a computer? You don’t work in the fields? You wear glasses?

Yep, literally executed.