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I dont want to get too high on copium but is this the fall of Isreal and the West I've been hearing so much about?

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Israel condemns move

The way you react when you definitely support a two state solution like you’ve been saying for 50+ years

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

these countries just aren't supporting it in the right way

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I genuinely don’t get it. I would think Israel’s whole gimmick would only work with recognition of the state of Palestine.

If Palestine is a state, you can act like this is a war between equally powerful states where civilians are unfortunately caught in the crossfire. If Palestine isn’t a state, you’re bombing a captive population within your own territory.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The PR of annexing territory of a sovereign nation is worse.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't think the pr of this campaign could get any worse, save for if Joe biden just outright said "this is a genocide and I am pro-genocide".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Too honest for that zionist ghoul

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

The 2 state solution if for Western Libs. The Israeli Right wants annexation, settlement expansion, and population transfer.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Israel’s finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, said Israel should approve three new settlements in the occupied West Bank, one for each country that recognized a Palestinian state, and cut funding for the Palestinian Authority.

Very illuminating!!!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

Totally not genocidal or ethnic cleansing!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Didn’t Givir or some fuck just “permit” even more encroachment into the WB?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 5 months ago

No sanctions no divestment, what are the borders of palestine? shit-tier civility bit

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago (1 children)

im genuinely surprised ireland had yet to recognize palestine

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

At heart they are hyper liberals

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago

this is good for pissing off the zionist entity, but palestinians want material support

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago

is this the fall of Isreal and the West I’ve been hearing so much about?

No, they just oppose shit so ghoulish that even liberals are getting second thoughts. When it ends, it will be back to slurping boot and China bad.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

Honestly thought there would be at least one other "Western" country that recognized Palestine since Sweden did it ten years ago, but apparently not.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

anyone have any insight on why spain and norway in particular are doing this? ireland is obvious but spain and norway seem kinda outta left field to be doing something based (even if it is literally the bare minimum)

Death to America

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Norway is home of the Nobel Peace Prize. They also had a major NGO presence in Palestine. The political conditions might be such that their self-image, or at least the self-image of a sufficient number of the political influencers, requires them to speak up.

Spain I have no idea.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

the faces of everyone who says they believe in a two state solution when other countries start recognizing two states

shocked-pikachu

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I dont want to get too high on copium but is this the fall of Isreal and the West I’ve been hearing so much about?

It's not the fall, it's a conflict that has emerged from the inherent contradictions. The conflict could escalate, wherein participants like these 3 countries could oppose the USA more forcefully, but it would likely entail a few other EU countries to escalate as well. Then the conflict will spread to be intra-EU as well. Most likely the result of this escalation would be subverting the little democracy in those countries and steering elections to compliant leaders who will crush domestic opposition. So, if this is the beginning of that fall, there's about to be a lot of "weird shit" happening in European electoralism in the next 5 years.