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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If anything is worthy of worship, it's the sun. It literally gives us life. All the energy you've ever had ultimately came from the sun.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

praise-it sun theory of value, marxcels btfo marx-joker

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Real talk I used to make fun of astrology, and later I learned to chill out about it and not be such a nerd and let people enjoy things.

But then recently I was part of a conversation that 2 people turned into a tangent about astrology and they went on and on for about 5 minutes about extremely detailed personal qualities of Scorpios, down to how they supposedly react to a long list of very specific scenarios, and how this was a good way to understand and predict the actions of a couple of specific people they knew.

I realized I wasn't actually ready to stop being really annoyed by astrology.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Astrology is just space phrenology.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

This, astrology is new age calipers

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If astrologists had institutional power it would be a nightmare, it’s only fun when not taken seriously at all.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If astrologists had institutional power it would be a nightmare, it’s only fun when not taken seriously at all.

Economists: Am I a joke to you?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah Astrology is horrible and all superstition should be ruthlessly extinguished, and I would get on with that if I wasn't old, grey, and tired.

Sucks being in a conversation and realizing you're the only person who doesn't whole heartedly believe in magic. No, please do tell me about how the big rock out in space decides whether or not you have a shitty day at work I am good at maintaining my composure my poker face is great and my confusion and disgust definitely will not leak through when I try to decide if you are harmless or one of those people who will make decisions that harm me and the people I love because you think your inner monologue is the voice of god.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A big rock in space decides I have a shitty day at work every day it called the Earth

I am not an astrologer I am an earth scientist

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

5 dimensional esoteric racism

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

That’s just the Barnum effect

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The problem comes up when astrology people start arrogantly analyzing your personality based on that shit, come to a negative opinion of you based on that, arrogantly roll their eyes and pout and smirk at the fact that you obviously are such a libra/whatever by obviously not believing it, and then spouting that utter nonsense to people around you. They are actively essentializing people and shaping their behaviour with them according to literal insanity.

Astrology should not be allowed to be published by public book publishers of any kind in a socialist society. If people want to believe insane bullshit in the privacy of their appartments, that's their problem. But the moment you start trying to spread those beliefs and use economic resources to do so in a way that can undermine people respect for scientific thought then that's definitely a problem.

I'm sorry but it's basically just phrenology for hippies.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I recently saw a hot take that being anti-astrology is actually a form of misogyny because astrology believers are predominantly women.

Typical Libra, am I right?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

um actually being pro-astrology is transphobia because i am trans and i don't like it trans-uno

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The consequences of postmodern liberal thought and its obliteration of critical thinking abilities to the point of excluding basic logic or how concepts function in effective empirical and scientific thought continues to make a laughing stock of modern liberal intellectual culture.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, my plan to build a continent sized rocket booster and yeet Mercury in to Andromeda so the little fucker never retros it's grade again is Astrology erasure.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nuclear fission/geothermal: am I a joke to you?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Have you eaten fissile material or lava?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Harkens back to those old Aleve commercials

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On hexbear, nobody knows you're a crab living on a geothermal vent in the Middle Atlantic Rift, eating snails that have grazed sulfur-eating bacteria all their life hex-crab-chapo

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fission reactants were formed in a star.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm in the first or second chapter of graeber 's Dawn of Everything, and the unearned arrogance the Europeans display to the indigenous Americans is constantly thrown back in their faces.

"You don't feed the hungry, even when when you have food to spare?"

"The only reason your men obey you is because you compel them with fear of violence?"

He goes on to argue that "enlightenment" ideals of human freedom and equality entered the primitive European brainpan through their experiences with truly free people who actually embraced equality. It's a fun read

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Dawn of Everything is the first book I would hand to a lib if I was going to try and turn them into a Marxist. Gotta shake those “west is best” and “muh human nature” brainworms first before you will get anywhere, IMO

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh man what a fantastic book especially the Indigenous Critique

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I've been reading "The Many-Headed Hydra" and it covers a similar idea. However it is focused on the Northern Atlantic and Anglos. They go into some detail about the wreck of the ship Sea Venture and the mutiny to stay free on Bermuda rather than return to class based rule. That wreck actually inspired The Tempest

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Christian missions are the indoctrination and cultural genocide that the West loves to project onto its enemies. No, teaching kids how to brush their teeth is not cultural genocide - eradicating entire religions is!

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My god is real and if you look at it your eyes will burn.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

carlin-pog "I can see the sun. That helps for credibility."

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Stop looking at the sun george

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

It's honestly still a mystery to me how they managed to brute force their way into hegemony, time and time again. Joyless, drab, unappealing...and yet they somehow got the numbers to pull this shit off in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just kill everyone who disagree with you

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

might be a path worth pursuing

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

melon-musk looking into this

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Guns, manufactured goods, liquor, guns, sugar, medicine, guns, and guns.

One of the common tactics was to pick one ethnic group or whatever to be the "civilized" group, then give them guns and tell them that if they want to continue to get guns they'd better get the rest of the region under control, quick, or the guns would stop. YOu make one group really powerful, but not as powerful as your troops, then use them as a club to beat the rest of the region in to submission while also making your aid contingent on wearing clothes, drinking tea, producing export crops, etc.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Going back further, I wanna know how they even managed to secure enough power to pull off shit like the crusades -- How Christianity became an institution in the first place. I need to look into that at some point.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It had the advantage of the pre-existing structure of the Roman Empire. Religions catch on fast when there's a ton of money, swords, and land already associated with it. Also helped that the Roman religion didn't care too much about heresy or adopting new gods, so the average Roman citizen didn't care that Jupiter is now Jehova. A lot of early Christianity was like madlibs, just changing the names of various polytheistic deities into various Christian things.

Some early Christians in England for instance would emphasis the similarity of Jesus on the cross with Odin dying on the world tree.

Also material reasons

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

A similar process took place in the Americas. Amerindians during colonization mixed their own traditions with Christianity, Creating essentially folk Christianity. Same thing happened in Ireland. Like worship of the Virgin Mary became super important in the Spanish colonies, somewhat eclipsing Jesus, and once it became something the natives claimed for themselves, the missionaries could hardly target the worship of their own religion effectively. Not that they didn't try

I wish more people where familiar with the story of Juan Diego. The whole interplay between native religion, christianity, and the emergent local traditions and identity are not clear cut. Nice little blog post about it

I recently went to visit the Basilica of Guadalupe in Mexico City with my host family. As we walked around the massive campus of the basilica, my host mother explained to me the background of this immensely important religious site. In 1531, in the midst of the Spanish colonization of Mexico, there was an indigenous man named Juan Diego who claimed that the Virgin Mary had appeared to him in the mountains on the outskirts of Mexico City and instructed him to build a church there. He went to tell the local Catholic bishop, but the bishop told him that he must bring proof. According to the story, Juan Diego returned to the place of the initial sighting, and the virgin appeared to him again. Following her instructions, Juan Diego collected some roses from the garden, wrapped them in his tilma (a type of indigenous cloth), and took them to the bishop. When he unfolded the cloth, the roses transformed into an idol of the Virgin Mary. The religious community heralded the event as a miracle and built a basilica near the place where the sighting took place. Since then, a new basilica and a number of other churches and shrines have been constructed, creating an entire campus of religious attractions. Every year, millions of people visit the basilica from all over the world. While there, I saw elderly women coming from miles away on their hands and knees, a sort of pilgrimage of suffering to honor the Virgin Mary.

The story of the Virgin of Guadalupe is more complicated than it might seem. After my host mother explained everything to me, her two adult children pulled me aside to clarify a few things. They told me that, according to many historians, the Spanish crown fabricated the story of the Virgin of Guadalupe in order to help convert indigenous peoples to Catholicism. The hill of Tepeyac, where Juan Diego supposedly saw the Virgin Mary, was originally a pilgrimage site for honoring one of the indigenous gods, Tonantzin. Many believe that the story was a way to draw the indigenous away from their old gods and encourage the Christian faith. If this is true, then the Spanish executed the plan masterfully. The Virgin of Guadalupe was and always has been known in Mexico as “La Morenita.” Morenita, which literally means “little brown girl,” is a term of affection that connotes the virgin’s racial identity as a mestiza, a mix between Spanish and indigenous heritage. Thus, the Virgin of Guadalupe is the ultimate symbol of religious syncretism and mestizaje in Mexico. The virgin symbolizes the successful, and of course forced, integration of Spanish Catholicism and local indigenous religions. In addition, she is the champion of la mestizaje, the mixing of races that resulted from the Spanish colonization.

On one hand, the Virgin of Guadalupe has been a positive symbol for Mexico. She was an icon of the movement of independence from Spain. In 1810, Miguel Hidalgo and his army chanted “Death to the Spaniards and Long Live the Virgin” as they marched into battle. In more recent history, the virgin has become a symbol of unity for the Mexican people. She is Mexico: Catholic, mestizo, faithful, rooted in tradition.

But the Virgin of Guadalupe, and what she stands for, is also a lie. The myth seeks to champion Catholicism, while hiding the legacy of violence on which the process of conversion was built. And the unifying mestiza identity that she represents obscures the existence of other marginalized racial groups in Mexico. If you ask a Mexican about race, most will tell you that it’s not a problem because everyone is mestizo. But pure-blooded indigenous groups continue to live in the south of the country and continue to suffer from racial discrimination. They represent a reminder of the violent Spanish colonization that the Mexican government seeks to forget.

The Virgin of Guadalupe is a Mexican celebrity. She comforts people in times of need, and she gives a sense of pride to the Mexican people. For that reason, I would never challenge her existence or her symbolism to someone like my host mother, who I respect and care for. But I think it’s important to acknowledge the ways the Virgin of Guadalupe is harmful for the country. She represents a religious and racial identity that has been forced upon the Mexican people, and she is an example of how the Spanish colonization continues to plague Mexico even today.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Immunity to smallpox is a good way to ensure you're the last one standing. Never underestimate the power of poor hygiene and living in close proximity to livestock.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

sun gods are so in right now, everyone is saying this

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Praise the Sun! The light bringer!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t tell them about Sol Invicta and Jesus-Helios-son of Isis!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Those just sound like some guys the state department wants to give loot crates to tbh

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

The guy on the ground is holding a staff, but in the thumbnail it looks like he's pointing his thumb at the missionary "get a load of this bozo" style

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