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Maria in particular met with anti-government opposition groups...

Imagine going all the way to Cuba just to talk to the CIA... smdh

skipped out on meeting with President Díaz-Canel, who spent more than 2 hours in a frank discussion specifically addressing the critiques these very same DSA members brought up to their Cuban hosts earlier on the trip.

Admire Canel's patience to put up with the kind of freak that takes the opportunity of going to Cuba to backseat actual socialists. Same energy as the Weather Underground being petitioned by the Viet Minh to build a broad movement and focus on bringing along the masses, but our audacious white saviours know better than that: we must build a perfect party of 14 people instead.

Why do these anarcho-bidenists get to go to Cuba and not me.

MAYBE THE THIRD WORLDIST HAVE A POINT

Embarrassing

Lmao, why bother going to a country that you don’t support at all? You would think that Cuba is one of the litmus tests for leftists aside from palestine which i’m sure they fail on that part too.

The DSA doesn’t even ideologically alligned with global south countries, just go to a EU organized liberal socialist conferences in some nordic petrol-state instead. Or better, go to the Rosa Luxemberg center in Germany.

What's new? At the height of DSA's popularity during the Sanders campaign, I checked out their website. I read their history, and they celebrated the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the USSR, thinking that it was their turn to lead lead their version of "democratic socialism" in the former eastern bloc countries. The fall of the USSR ushered in rightwing governments aligned with US imperialism in these countries, but these SocDems will keep aligning themselves with US interests hoping for the collapse of the remaining Socialist countries.

I saw someone from Lemmy come in here defending her as their friend and being all "she does more organizing work than you losers"

I was very happy to see them dogpiled immediately

For context, the two chauvinists were from a Trot contingent and a socdem contingent. They are behaving exactly as you'd expect them to, they have no idea how to do anything except tell other people what they should really be doing in order to be properly on the left. The SocDem contingent is the one that carried water for Bowman btw.

Imagine turning down the chance of meeting with the president of an AES country and still calling yourself a socialist. Fucking western leftists I swear.

Lemme guess, they're Trots?

if you're an Yankee going to latin America, especially a former American colony now under siege like Cuba, you need to sit down and shut up, your settler ass has absolutely no standing to criticize their affairs. And meeting with anti-government "dissidents"? Disgusting. Might as well be freelancing for the CIA. Yankee imperialists show an ounce of fucking humility challenge (impossible)

I’d love to see them do this dumb shit in Burkina Faso to Ibrahim Traoré. Dude would not be as forgiving as Díaz-Canal has been.

Embarrassing the DSA should eject Maria at the very least from the organization.

What a fucking embarrassment.

This is a result of trying to turn "Leftism" into a social club. None of this matters to any of these strivers.

The more I read stuff like this plus the history of real movements I realize why things like DemCent [emphasis added] and other hardline ML things are needed but that’s not a discussion for here

The article itself essentially makes that claim, just in coded language:

These shortcomings are all symptoms of underdevelopment in DSA’s diplomatic work, stemming from a lack of structure, standards, and norms [emphasis added] about how members should conduct themselves when representing the organization to foreign parties and governments, especially those much more developed in their practice of socialism than us.

In an effort to have a generative political conflict out of this situation, and to encourage positive change in how we engage in member-driven diplomatic work, we propose the following guidelines for structuring delegations and the work that follows them in the future as a way to maximize these principles and ensure that our delegations are beneficial for delegates and DSA alike.

Then proceeds to list four things that would be common sense to any "DemCent" organization.

Imagine having the chance to have a conversation with someone with the experience of Díaz-Canel and instead decline it to talk with some gusanos! Nah these fellas are feds.

calling your faction "reform and revolution" is such a funny way to set yourself up as a failure ahead of time. DSA having no real party line or mechanisms for discipline makes the whole org weaker.

DSA gets the wall.

I would have dropped them off a Gitmo, knocked on the gates and told the guards to come take care of their own

dam thats some white ass honkey ass shit don't hold the mayo

It always feels like someone hopped in a time-portal when I see them shitting on Cuba. That attitudes was going out of style in the 90s, for Christsakes.