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[–] [email protected] 140 points 7 months ago (7 children)

The most frustrating thing about things like this is how seemingly most people dont learn.

Like getting suckered or being wrong once, fine, maybe. But I feel like people just double down instead of dealing with the mildly uncomfortable moment of admitting fault.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not only not admitting fault but somehow making it the fault of the very people that told them exactly what would happen.

Don't put your hand in the fire, johnny, it'll hurt. johnny stares you in the eye as he puts his hand defiantly into the fire Ooooow, it burns! Why did you make it burn me?!?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

You push Johnny into the fire.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Worse: a generation can learn and then forget. Boomers learned first hand how bad war was when they were being sent off as bullet sponges to Vietnam, Cambodia, and Korea. They conveniently forgot all of it when it came time for their kids to go.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I just finished reading Harry Potter 4, goblet of fire to my kid. The last chapter, despite all the evidence and good people telling him Voldemort has returned and (spoiler after 20 years?) killed Cedric, etc. the minister of magic, Fudge, struggles mightily against their statements and eventually, instead of admitting the truth and accepting what he must do, decides to make enemies of those who wield the truth to shelter himself from the discomfort, fear and pain and decides to pretend Voldemort isn't real. It's a pivotal moment in the series and one that sets the tone for the rest of the books, the very adult/political/media battles of the mind, perceptions, and propaganda...by a leader who was a good person overall I think but couldn't face the music.

I was explaining to my kid that sometimes people just want to avoid reality, and when they are in important roles, it can be devastating. I also told her all people have the same instinct, to avoid conflict, pain and discomfort, but that by learning to go through it you realize it's far better than the alternatives.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

sometimes people just want to avoid reality

This is what I have accepted in the last 5 or so years. No matter how much information I can provide about climate change, people just brush it off like it doesn't matter.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's a defense mechanism. When you think about the amount of things they would have to learn and change their mind on, and then weigh those against "do whats easy", it's not surprising people change their minds less as they age.

Fudge specifically says how terrible it would be to upset the order and calm that has been built in Voldemorts absence. Keeping his safe place is his priority.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

admitting fault

I have a working hypothesis that the dumber and more insecure you are, the less likely you are to admit that 'I was wrrrr'.... ...that 'I made a misttt'.....

You see?

Anecdotal, but the evidence so far is persuasive.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

They care more about being sure than being right.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice…ehh..well, can’t be fooled again!

[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hmmm, is this just human nature at work? Is it a function of the conservative mind like it’s never their fault?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Actually... yes, it literally is. They focus on what is effective, and if the pushy behavior works for them to get what they want, they do it. And it does. So they do.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The right wing the world over is in for a lot of this. Like shitting the bed and then just rolling around in it and going "no i didn't"

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

They never will admit they were wrong. It's like climate change. We've been saying we need to do something since the 70s and they've been denying reality since.

Now we're on to the "it's too late to do anything" stage of conservative thinking.

  1. That's not real
  2. It's real but it's not our fault
  3. It's real and it's too late so stop talking about it
[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There are still Brexiteers won't admit they were wrong and doubles down, calling Remainers as Remoaners, in spite of recent surveys stating 56% of British now would not want leave but return instead. Of course, why wouldn't the Brexiteers admit it? They don't want to hurt their own ego by admitting errors. They'd rather hurt the national ego instead.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah that sounds like a 7% raise since the brexit vote, I would have guessed that far more people would have changed their minds since then

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Yeah I'm not even gonna take note until it's like >80%.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago

Brexiters are always annoyed.

It's not by chance that the word "Gammon" became a common way to describe them (because of the color of that kind of ham is a pretty good match for the color of the furious-face on a pale white old man or woman)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Let's face it we're a bunch of apes, a few are intelligent and functioning, and it's a miracle anything works at all.

At least that makes me feel better because it just makes me happy when anything works at all.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Okay but we need to do better or literally everyone dies to climate change, right? So...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Yes. Let's wait and see until theres no options left!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

FYI I'm quite active in that arena personally. I just meant in a big picture way like let's see if humans get through this filter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

We need to free ourselves from some of the classes who will absolutely not be making it through any filters, if we want to do that, and I don't think shitty Jeff is going to settle for 'aging beach himbo who can run the fuck out of a spreadsheet and power game your tabletop group to ruin'

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The sad thing is that we won't just die to climate change, but everything becomes way more hellish than it already is, to the point where we'd wish we had just died...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah it won't be the gentle 20th century 'sirens and then two hours later everyone suddenly stops existing' apocalypse. It will be brutal and horrible and show us the worst we can be. Everybody with die-by thousands, by dozens, one by one.

But, like, can't stop line go up, so...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Is that what you want? cause that’s what’ll happen

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

As if they were even paying attention to anything beyond their sphere of bigotry.

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