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CMV: As an Arab, Im not voting for biden anymore.

I am a long term lurker, but I wanted to share my thought about all the hype suourding 'a no-vote for Biden means a vote for Trump'. The reason I won't be voting for Joe Biden is his blind and ultimate loyalty to Israel. I understand this is highly sensitive and controversial. I am an average Arab American with no expertise in politics, military, media, writing, or technology. Forgive me if I say something dumb. I am not alone in my decision to not vote for Joe Biden, so many Muslims, Arabs, and young people have started to call him Genocide Joe. This is not a simple issue, and I am not a single-issue voter, but I cannot ignore the atrocities committed by the Israeli government that are ignored by Biden, his administration, and other dems in Gaza. I have nothing against Jews and Israel, and I respect their right to exist and coexist peacefully. However, I strongly condemn the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, which Biden supports financially and militarily.

One of the main reasons I am not voting for Biden is his hypocrisy and double standards on human rights. He was rightfully quick to condemn Russia for its aggression in Ukraine. However, he turned a blind eye to the much worse and documented violence against civilians, journalists, health workers, UN workers, and religious minorities in Gaza. He ignored the use of white phosphorus, a banned chemical weapon, and the bombing of schools, UN shelters, hospitals, mosques, churches, and safe passages. He also ignored the worldwide and domestic calls for a ceasefire, and vetoed the UN Security Council resolution that demanded an end to the hostilities and additionally repeatedly affirmed himself as a zionist. Not only that, but he even gave the green light to Israel to continue the destruction of life and property in Gaza, by approving and sending many more and weapons and ammunition.

Another reason I am not voting for Biden is his indifference and complicity in the increased settlers’ violence against Palestinians in the West Bank. Innocent Palestinians are being literally murdered, evicted, and harassed by extremist settlers, who are backed by the Israeli army and government. Biden has done nothing to stop or prevent these crimes, or to hold the perpetrators accountable. He has also failed to support the legitimate rights and aspirations of the Palestinian people, such as self-determination, statehood, and sovereignty. He has sided with Israel on every major issue.

Biden lacks moral courage and political will to stand for justice and peace. They need to do something, but they are afraid of the powerful pro-Israel lobby and the electoral consequences. They value their own power and interests more than the lives and dignity of millions of oppressed and suffering people. Likewise, they are willing to sacrifice the principles and values that they claim to uphold and defend, such as democracy, human rights, and international law. They are also betraying the trust and support of millions of Americans, especially Muslims, Arabs, young people and even thousands of American Jews, who voted for them in the hope of change and progress and live in battle ground states.

In conclusion, I voted for him in 2020, but have decided not to vote for Joe Biden, because I cannot support a candidate who is complicit in the genocide of Palestinians, who is hypocritical and indifferent to their plight, and who is cowardly and selfish in his policies. I am not alone in this decision, and I am not voting for Trump or the Republicans either. And yes, Trump and the republicans are a lot worse for the Palestinians, but at least they are honest and open about it. In comparison, Dems are wolf in sheep's clothing. I hope that Biden and the Democrats lose the election and learn from their mistakes. I hope that they will realize that they cannot ignore or alienate their constituents, especially the minorities and young people, who have legitimate grievances and demands.

Edit: I under that the republicans and trump are worse. But realistically for palestinians, they are the same. How is Biden legitimately different from trump? He is sending more arms and missiles that will be dropped on palestinian children. He is also trying to send navy to Yemen since they are stopping ships from getting into israel until food and medicine can enter. Biden is willing to essentially go to war on Israelis behalf.

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[–] [email protected] 152 points 10 months ago (14 children)

Young people often lack the emotional maturity, experience, and appreciation for nuance and complexity that allows more mature people to see the value in choosing the lesser of evils. Young people are attracted to the idea of acting on principles. It makes them feel good.

FUCK these people and FUCK all these shitty brainwashed Dems. Soulless freaks the lot of em

[–] [email protected] 89 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Young people are attracted to the idea of acting on principles. It makes them feel good.

There's literally bombs being dropped on Gazan youth; would the Gazan youth recommend Arab Americans also vote for Biden? If not, is it because acting on principle would make them feel good?

This is like that comic page someone uploaded where a (mouse) parent sees their kid crying over the dead in a bombed hospital and he dismisses it by saying it had radical Islam, and when the kid is still sad about it the parents are confused and claim that that generation weird.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The strip is called Happy Roadkill.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I solemnly swear to never grow out of my principles.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What does such a person grow into?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago

Knee-jerk devotion to the status quo

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago

Hezrou. Maybe a barbezue

[–] [email protected] 79 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Nuance! Complexity! The reasons why Joe has been baying for Palestinian blood for decades are nuanced. The reasons why we have to support the extermination of an entire people and there are no alternatives are complicated! You just need to be mature enough to see that exterminating 2 million people and bulldozing their graves is the lesser evil!

What do you even do with people like this?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The dullards repeating ‘golly, it’s sooooo complicated’ almost(?) never talk about the history of Palestine, like the Balfour Declaration, the Ha’avara agreement, Palestinian antifascism, Operation Dalet, 1967, the ‘Yom Kippur’ war, Hamas’s creation… anything of substance, basically.

I’ve had to examine complex situations before, and I can tell you with a great deal of confidence that the situation in Palestine right now really isn’t that complicated. I mean, can anybody seriously argue that nobody has any business judging an F‐35 dropping bombs on Arab children unless you have a PhD in Middle East studies? Come on, that would be ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Reminds me of this incredible answer Michael Brooks gave to that point. Just shutting it down then and there "it is not complicated, it is as uncomplicated as possible" https://youtu.be/62I61kBahNY?t=262

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

... Why did the fascist bourgeoisie adopt antisemitism? Your research seems interesting, it'd be great if you could share some of it on c/effort :)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

What do you even do with people like this?

Put them in a reeducation camps till your conscience is clear and then send them to the wall.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That comment embodies the essence of modern liberalism:

  • condescendingly gesturing at "nuance" and "complexity" to hand-wave any criticism ("you just don't get it!")

  • infantilizing the critic by suggesting that having empty principles that you don't act on is a sign of maturity rather than weakness and moral inferiority

  • pretending that their betters are actually just doing things to feel good about themselves, which is also an example of projection since liberals goddamn love performative useless bullshit that makes them feel like they've done something

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Aka, they're either gullible or spineless.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Listen kiddo, maybe once you've become a grown up white person you'll understand how the Real World works

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

this comment gives me terrible flashbacks

people are really genuinely this awful - it's so hard to accept, but it's true

[–] [email protected] 61 points 10 months ago (1 children)

liberals fucking love to infantilize people and it seems to not interest them that makes you pretty fucking hated, especially if your grievances are entirely valid!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

Snd they especially love to do it to PoC people

[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago

Bill Maher the redditor.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't matter how old I get, they never stop saying this shit, they just shuffle the words around to make them "age appropriate."

The people who say this are always spineless and unprincipled. Their cravens who desperately cling to the status quo because they can't bear discomfort and only care to reap the benefits of their undeserved privilege.

FUCK these people.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

if you are a young socialist: You're just a kid who doesn't know anything about the ways of the world

if you are an old socialist: You're just a crazy relic of a bygone past

if you are a poor socialist: You're just jealous and lazy and want revenge on your betters

if you are a rich socialist: You're just a spoiled champagne socialist who knows nothing about hard work

No correct way to be a socialist.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

parenti-hands Nonfalsifiable Orthodoxy

[–] [email protected] 46 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What the an a person act on if not principles? Principles are defined by action.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago

The lesser evil right now is Unlimited Central Park

[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago

Vote for the lesser of two genocides.

This is it folks, the height of liberal hypocrisy. We made it.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago

But Russia is genociding Ukraine and we need to go to extreme measures in order to make them stop

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

They cannot stand that we have principle, lines we will not cross. It makes them angrier than Trump by far.