AI have no rights. Your AI creations are right-less. They belong in the public domain. If not, they are properties of the peoples whose art you stole to make the AI.
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What is the difference between AI and MSPaint? Its all just digital tools to make images. Copyrights are dumb across the board but this is no more or less dumb.
Your take license has been revoked. You are no longer allowed to have takes.
I have almost complete aphantasia and dysgraphia. I can describe a picture but I could never draw it even on a computer. Despite the technology to overcome my Neuro divergency being at my fingertips I shouldn't own my creations because you don't like the tools I used?
Ableist Classist Luddite. "Art is only for the few who can dedicate years of study to perfect their technique and fuck any technology that makes art more accessible. oh and digitally made music isn't music."
Wait just one sec comrade. Noone said you can't use it, but you really think you should be entitled to make money as an artist? You can literally get a job as an AI prompt writer/engineer. But what you want is to be recognized as an artist.
Fine, then create a bunch of AI art, frame it, and take it to a gallery or to a market. Put it in a portfolio and display it on a website. Go network with other artists in your area and promote your work as art, see where it gets you. I'm genuinely curious.
AI has the ability to write code, but very few software engineers have lost their jobs because of it. Why? Is it because AI code, like AI art, sucks ass?
A lot of people here struggle with MH and some have overcome and found success. Maybe don't be so quick to label others as chauvinistic for pointing out that your idea is a priori nonsense that has little to no basis in reality. The fact remains that your struggles don't prevent you from picking up a paintbrush or a pencil or a mouse or whatever. Quadrapalegics still paint landscapes, Chuck Close is a world famous portrait artist who is face blind.
AI art is trained on the art of others, full stop. Noone says you can't use it to create images for your own enjoyment. Maybe there is some value for creators in using AI? But the value is created for capitalists to suppress wages of creatives and force people into unemployment. Hollywood writers went on strike over this shit. People don't fucking like it and regardless of how you feel about that, art is subjective. So best of luck, get over yourself
aphantasia doesn't mean you can't draw, it means you can't visualize in your head
you can have great visualization skills but still suck at drawing
You shouldnt be able to make money and steal from artists who made the AI art possible in the first place though, youre taking for granted that the art is free in the first place and more of these people online should be paid
the art of actual artist which is being stolen and used to make pastiches by tech companies with billions of VC bucks behind them. Like are you intentionally failing to see the point here?
It is absolutely being stolen when the art of people is being taken by VC funded tech companies and repurposed for commercial use without any compensation nor permission. Are you doing a bit right now?
I think it's bizarre to see "Socialists" siding with techbros and VC companies against artists and workers. The economic relationship is why it's theft. The creation of art is for many artists how they sell their labor, how they make money, how they get food on the table, generative AI does not currently exist in any capacity except large tech companies who are commercializing this art without the permission of these artists often explicitly against their wishes and reaping the full rewards of that. It is an exploitation of their work.
The luddites were right you realize of course? My issue is with capitalism yes, and the expansion of copyright to an industrialized art theft ring run by tech companies to the detriment of artists. Something you are cheerleading based on... what, contrarianism? A desire to be fucking wrong?
Piracy is not the same as IP fraud, which is what the OP amounts to
nobody stole anything. they got a copy of the data of an image. That data is publicly available and anyone looking at that image on their computer has a copy of that data.
I'm not against artists being paid. I'm saying that AI is nothing without an operator and that means AI art is made by artist who should be afforded all rights of any other artist.
Youre again taking for granted that a lot of the art is free, when it shouldnt be. The people who make that art should be making a living doing something that takes so much work and study to be able to do.
I'm not responding to unlicensed bad takes.
good because I'm not responding to people who don't back up their disagreement with discussion. Go back to reddit you can offer the same level of discourse with a single click over there.
You mean own as in have? sure. own as in being able to sell them? maybe. Own as in courts will fine everybody else using same picture? Nah
you shouldn't be entitled to copyright on it
why? Because I made it on a computer? or because the code that the computer used was very complex? or because during some of the code uses data that is freely available on the internet?
because you didn't write the code for the algorithm, you didn't make any of the training data pictures, and you didn't do anything that could be considered 'creative' or 'talented' to make it. Real fucking artists that put hours of time, effort, and creativity into their work deserve to have it protective. By plugging in "looking at a sunset from a mountain" or some shit into stable diffusion doesn't make you entitled to the shit it puts out. terrible take.
All of these AI tools are based on models trained on illegaly obtained samples from non-consenting artists. This is the key issue behind copyright. Its both the issue of failing to protect artists original copyright while granting copyright to art created through these tools.
In a sane and honest economic system you'd hire a lot of these artists to create art specificaly for this, seek their consent and pay them according to the number of samples they have on the model, or respect their choice if they don't want their art sampled period. These are just naive suggestions I'm sure there are better proposals too.
If you took all the steps above people would be a lot more open and positive about it. At the end of the day these tools are impossible to stop but it is the openly brazen lack of morality and justice of capitalism here that makes it obvious for people.
Corporations cried about piracy since the rise of fucking VHS tape recorders 30 or 40 years ago. They lied and manipulated the narrative of digital piracy in the early 2000s, but now it is 2023, the internet is old now so it is suddenly not piracy when you scrape millions of pieces of art from the web.
I think a complete no copyright stance would be the most realistic. If we assume you'll never be able to completely make sure someone didn't plagiarize or "reference" some prior art then at least don't make it worse by endorsing a tool built on entirely the premise of referencing and plagiarizing previous art.
And this is also seperate as to whether these tools are good or bad.
If you post things on the internet they aren't private. Is my eyeball illegally obtaining samples when I scroll instagram? It surely has an influence on my creations as much as it would on an AI.
AI image generation is a tool. Yes it makes image generation super easy and accessible to people without technical skills but so did Photoshop so did the camera so did fucking crayons. AI assisted art is art just as any other digital art is art. A person making an image with the help of AI is an artist and deserves the rights to their product the same as anyone else.
How are you supposed to sell your artwork if you don't post a picture of it online? This is a terrible argument. Looking at something is not the same as literally scraping it's image data. They are two fundamentally different material processes.
Even if you think that they should not have copyright or.privatized protections that doesn't mean that LIM-assisted drawings should. The only consistent legal position is neither or both, and if it is both then LIM-assisted art is fundamentally based in piracy.
moronic take
Explain why, elitist gatekeeping snob.
the only correct take here is that copyright and "intellectual property" shouldn't exist
I'll agree with that.
And yet you support being able to patent the output of some stable diffusion prompt made from the work of a hundred other artists
But it's not the same as MS Paint. MS Paint requires you to do something to create something in it. AI is trained on other art and recreates it. It'd be like copying a picture of Goku from s01e01 of Dragon Ball into MS Paint, using the paint bucket to change his hair color, and claiming it as copyrightable.
so AI art will make all my dreams come true and I don't even have to do anything? AI uses data from other images to make new images. An artist's input is required to make it art even if they simply curate. There is a whole branch of art called "found object" which can and often is simply finding an item and displaying it with no modifications.
Yes you can use AI for copyright infringement but you can do that with anything. You could draw goku with different hair with pencils and try to copyright it and have the same results.
none of this addresses why a person using AI making a new and orriginal image shouldnt be entitled to the same legal rights as anyone else making an image any other way.
The issue here isn't individuals using AI to make art, you can make AI art to your hearts content, print it out, frame it. I don't care.
Problem is a bunch of companies are trying to replace artists with AI. AI doesn't create original art, or collages art from other artists together. This means if, for example, Raytheon used AI to make an add, and a big chunk of that ad is from a painting I made, I can't object to a piece of my art being used to sell bombs.
Even collage art made by actual humans doesn't get used in corporate advertising much for the same reason, if an artist sees their work being used in the college they may object to it. This is less a problem with independent artists. I actually make college art myself.
And while I love showing it to people I'm very hesitant to use it in any context where I may directly profit from it cuz I wouldn't want to offend any of the people who made the original images. I doubt it would happen cuz generally I take material from advertising and change the context enough that the original creator probably wouldn't recognize it. Thing is I'm a human, I can understand that context and make a judgment call about it, and other humans can object if they disagree with my judgment about it and try and hold me accountable. An AI wouldn't be able to do that.
I'd have less objections to AI art if it was always clearly watermarked (which China is apparently trying to do) and it was always clear who the person who generated it was, but right now AI is just pumping out tons of images with no way for artists to know if their images were used in it and who's profiting from it.
Jones, you've made just shy of 30% of the comments in this thread. Don't you think it's about time to take a break on the topic?
The difference is that AI conglomerates societally accepted perspectives on concepts and presents those based on the words you input. MSPaint requires you to directly portray your own conception of those concepts instead.
Wankery over the nature of art side, the issue is fundamentally one of automation and use. These companies do not want to use AI art the way you use AI art, they want to fully automate the artistic experience of portraying one's own concept out of reality entirely, because it is cost-ineffective. You really think these people are thinking about their prompts or whatever? Nah, execs are just going to use it for marvel slop.
Yes, our current conception of art is problematic and ableist. We put far too much stock into what some random old white dude thinks is objectively good art or not. But I think that's the root issue with a lot of these AI models- They substitute actual artistic decisions with pure, automated, technical skill.
You drawing a single squiggly line will be far more artistic than anything an AI model shits out based on socially accepted definitions. No one is coming after you. Instead of defending the usage of a technology that will directly harm millions of artists, and the automation of the creative process, the manual execution of which, which regardless of how you're doing it is generally considered important to human health, we should go after the insane and outdated concepts of artistic "quality" that ended up making people not only think that AI art is "good", but also that people with IE aphantasia or shaky hand's can't produce "good" art. Of course they can produce good art... Art isn't about correct lighting or perspective or whatever the fuck, it's about one's own desires and creative expression. This is why I get a sinking pit in my stomach whenever people make fun of AI art's depiction of hands or whatever. The problem isn't the AI's technical mistakes, it's that it doesn't care about what it's doing!
AI Art CAN be a tool for this. It could be used fundamentally similar to synthesizers or song samples or collage art or any number of automated processes that are merely used to create actual art. If you have aphantasia and you want a solid reference, that's an amazing usage for AI art. If you have shaky fingers and need to use ai art directly to generate linework for painting, that's also (IMO) a fine use for AI art. Even just posting flat out pictures generated by AI could be art, if framed correctly, sort of how people can remix or use 1 single sample in ways that are interesting.
The problem is that it's trying to replace the creative process of interpretation, and threatens the complete death of the creative sector. This is blatantly horrifying and is something we should not support.
I have an issue with that argument. Human artists train on "illegally obtained samples from non-consenting artists" all the time. Did your favorite artist ask Toriyama for consent before copying his style? When an artist inspire their style on old Disney movies, are they doing something wrong? Machine learning is not different from human learning, it's just faster.
Disagree 100% wow
citation needed
A human brings experiences into the equation and changes things.
What does an AI bring that isn't just other stolen art?
Literally nothing. Without a person prompting the AI and curating the response the AI does nothing. Same as a pencil.
A human bring the same experiences into making AI art as any other form of art. AI generation is a tool for making images or words just like a pencil. Those images and words can be art or they can be trash regardless of their medium.
Except they're using the pencil to trace other drawings lol