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On the flip side there are lots of Asian and Asian American women with internalized racism that refuse to date Asian guys and themselves have white fever (to mirror the yellow fever that many white guys have). It's just fucked all around.
I've been out of the dating game for a few years now, but when I was on dating sites and tinder, there were waaaaay too many Asian/Indian women with "No Asians, No Indians" right in the profile.
Hope it's better now.
I mean my room mate is Desi, and she very much avoids dating men specifically of her cultural background owing to the traditional cultural views on proper womanhood, feminism, and queerness. I'm sure if a super progressive guy of her culture came around she'd consider dating him, but I don't fault her for having a heuristic to avoid ending up in another abusive relationship.
On the one hand, I'm not in a place where I can question the lived experience of your roommate. On the other hand, a sexist-racist heuristic is still sexist and/or racist.
If I, as a Chinese dude, stated publicly that I don't want to date Chinese women because they're hyper materialistic and status seeking (not a belief I hold irl), I would hope that people would speak up and tell me that that's a fucked up thing to say.
Or, to remove the gender and patriarchy angle from it, if I got mugged a few times by people of a certain racial group, it would still be really fucked up of me to claim that I have a heuristic where I avoid people of that race.
Speaking specifically to your last example, I don't think that's quite the same, as it would imply mugging is held up as an ideal social standard to adhere to in that certain racial group, which is doubtlessly untrue. In her particular case, there are social standards of manhood and a woman's proper place that her ethnoreligious group promulgates, and she's very clear she wouldn't date anyone that adheres to those views, much like she wouldn't date a republican for the very same reason. That's going to, in effect, result in her not being willing to date a large portion of that group.
Like would it be racists or discriminatory (with all of negative connotation entailed) for an ex-Amish person to not want to deal with dating other people of Amish background?
I've seen people like her of almost every ethnicity/race (Hispanic, Indian, East Asian, Black, Middle Eastern, White). Them saying "men of my ethnicity are so misogynist, men of X ethnicity are so much less misogynist" is usually just an excuse to avoid confronting the fact that they're self-hating, since I can find someone exactly like them of X ethnicity who says the same thing.
I don't find that explanation particularly compelling, not in the general, negative way "self-hating" is typically applied, otherwise I qualify as a self-hating white person for having a strong disaffinity for capitalism and Weberian protestant work ethic.
Yeah, that's a very different thing from not dating anyone from a certain ethnic group based on their ethnicity. As long as the criteria is the individual's beliefs (which they can change) and not their place of origin or background (which they cannot) then she's not unfairly discriminating imo.
That's why she dates men from the culture that invented lobotomies specifically for their wives ofc.
She mostly dates women now, for what that's worth.
Even worse, I've seen many people state "no rice, no spice."
Sounds like the straight equivalent of "no blacks, no fats, no fems". Came to call those 'three no's queers'; I threw out dating apps after more than half my locality where I used to live had that at the TOP of their profiles.
Oh, these people were definitely not straight.
Oh, lovely. /s
I grew up in an area that was like a third to half Asian or so.
TV shows and the internet kept referencing this stereotype that "Asian people are shy"
I was always like, shy?? What the fuck are they talking about? Some of the least shy people I know.
Then I moved to a majority white area and I was like oh, oh yeah Asians actually are often literally shy here because they're alienated by white people being fucking weird and racist assholes
God I envy you I want out